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well I mean you can certainly say theas Or those matters of sensibility clearly are not issues of good or bad, but I think there are def cases where there’s an ideal to be reached, and various grades bw said ideal and decadence
November 19, 2025 at 11:22 PM
well I mean you can certainly say theas Or those matters of sensibility clearly are not issues of good or bad, but I think there are def cases where there’s an ideal to be reached, and various grades bw said ideal and decadence
but also the logic the reformers use to justify it just pisses me off
“the Canon‘s structure is illogical there’s no pneumatology it needs an epiclesis”—cut the malarkey, Jack!
“the Canon‘s structure is illogical there’s no pneumatology it needs an epiclesis”—cut the malarkey, Jack!
November 19, 2025 at 11:11 PM
but also the logic the reformers use to justify it just pisses me off
“the Canon‘s structure is illogical there’s no pneumatology it needs an epiclesis”—cut the malarkey, Jack!
“the Canon‘s structure is illogical there’s no pneumatology it needs an epiclesis”—cut the malarkey, Jack!
I mean that’s a fair point but also if you care abt the best liturgy that’s going to be a fairly typical impulse
so you do have to moderate it
so you do have to moderate it
November 19, 2025 at 11:10 PM
I mean that’s a fair point but also if you care abt the best liturgy that’s going to be a fairly typical impulse
so you do have to moderate it
so you do have to moderate it
conveys them to the heavenly altar
It’s a really cool and a characteristically Roman way of conceiving these things
It’s a really cool and a characteristically Roman way of conceiving these things
November 19, 2025 at 11:09 PM
conveys them to the heavenly altar
It’s a really cool and a characteristically Roman way of conceiving these things
It’s a really cool and a characteristically Roman way of conceiving these things
hence the language of the Quam oblationem: benedictam, adscriptam, ratam, rationabilem, acceptabilemque facere digneris
the idea is that God accepts as repayment for our debts the gifts of his own produce, in a sort of legal transfer, thru the mediation of the Son as the christological Angel, who
the idea is that God accepts as repayment for our debts the gifts of his own produce, in a sort of legal transfer, thru the mediation of the Son as the christological Angel, who
November 19, 2025 at 11:09 PM
hence the language of the Quam oblationem: benedictam, adscriptam, ratam, rationabilem, acceptabilemque facere digneris
the idea is that God accepts as repayment for our debts the gifts of his own produce, in a sort of legal transfer, thru the mediation of the Son as the christological Angel, who
the idea is that God accepts as repayment for our debts the gifts of his own produce, in a sort of legal transfer, thru the mediation of the Son as the christological Angel, who
I think the dewfall thing is a bit forced and the Roman rite seems to conceive of the oblation not as a sanctifying descent of the Spirit (a fairly Byzantine notion) but as a sort of exchange accepted by the Father as a beneficial imperial figure
November 19, 2025 at 11:07 PM
I think the dewfall thing is a bit forced and the Roman rite seems to conceive of the oblation not as a sanctifying descent of the Spirit (a fairly Byzantine notion) but as a sort of exchange accepted by the Father as a beneficial imperial figure
honestly I kinda wonder whether they should allow some form of 1662 (w the 1549 Eucharistic prayer) or just go all out and do Sarum
instinctively my preference is for the latter
instinctively my preference is for the latter
November 19, 2025 at 8:08 PM
honestly I kinda wonder whether they should allow some form of 1662 (w the 1549 Eucharistic prayer) or just go all out and do Sarum
instinctively my preference is for the latter
instinctively my preference is for the latter
yeah yeah I get it
imo tho wrt the EPs the status quo of 600-1967 was just good—one canon, at all masses, always and everywhere
imo tho wrt the EPs the status quo of 600-1967 was just good—one canon, at all masses, always and everywhere
November 19, 2025 at 7:40 PM
yeah yeah I get it
imo tho wrt the EPs the status quo of 600-1967 was just good—one canon, at all masses, always and everywhere
imo tho wrt the EPs the status quo of 600-1967 was just good—one canon, at all masses, always and everywhere
ngl I’m kinda curious as to why
November 19, 2025 at 7:38 PM
ngl I’m kinda curious as to why
imo the Roman canon *is* the Roman rite
It is the linchpin and the emblem of the entire Roman liturgical tradition from the 500s onward
It is the linchpin and the emblem of the entire Roman liturgical tradition from the 500s onward
November 19, 2025 at 7:36 PM
imo the Roman canon *is* the Roman rite
It is the linchpin and the emblem of the entire Roman liturgical tradition from the 500s onward
It is the linchpin and the emblem of the entire Roman liturgical tradition from the 500s onward
rip
tho it’s not that it’s a workmanlike prayer that does it for me I just dislike that they went at the Canon‘s structure for silly reasons and basically got it outlawrd
tho it’s not that it’s a workmanlike prayer that does it for me I just dislike that they went at the Canon‘s structure for silly reasons and basically got it outlawrd
November 19, 2025 at 7:34 PM
rip
tho it’s not that it’s a workmanlike prayer that does it for me I just dislike that they went at the Canon‘s structure for silly reasons and basically got it outlawrd
tho it’s not that it’s a workmanlike prayer that does it for me I just dislike that they went at the Canon‘s structure for silly reasons and basically got it outlawrd
makes a lot of sense
November 19, 2025 at 7:33 PM
makes a lot of sense
no, imo the Roman Canon ought to be as frequent as the flier miles of a really busy exec
November 19, 2025 at 7:22 PM
no, imo the Roman Canon ought to be as frequent as the flier miles of a really busy exec
wonder why caritas is here retained instead of love or charity?
November 19, 2025 at 7:12 PM
wonder why caritas is here retained instead of love or charity?
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How can we rejoice in the Lord if he is far away? He is not far away! If he is, that is your doing. Love, and he will draw near; love, and he will dwell within you. The Lord is at hand; have no anxiety. Do you want to know how he will be with you if you love him? God is caritas.
November 19, 2025 at 2:32 PM
How can we rejoice in the Lord if he is far away? He is not far away! If he is, that is your doing. Love, and he will draw near; love, and he will dwell within you. The Lord is at hand; have no anxiety. Do you want to know how he will be with you if you love him? God is caritas.
and ofc the preeminent role of the Canon
November 19, 2025 at 6:55 PM
and ofc the preeminent role of the Canon
tbc tho I think that we should also have congregational singing (at least of the ordinary Chants, as Sy Pius X wanted), dialogical masses, some aspects of the vernacular etc
it’s just that I really feel we need a return to the old orations, lessons, antiphons etc
it’s just that I really feel we need a return to the old orations, lessons, antiphons etc
November 19, 2025 at 6:37 PM
tbc tho I think that we should also have congregational singing (at least of the ordinary Chants, as Sy Pius X wanted), dialogical masses, some aspects of the vernacular etc
it’s just that I really feel we need a return to the old orations, lessons, antiphons etc
it’s just that I really feel we need a return to the old orations, lessons, antiphons etc
for one it’d get us back the stir-up collects for advent
November 19, 2025 at 6:36 PM
for one it’d get us back the stir-up collects for advent
alas I think we’d have to differ there
November 19, 2025 at 6:35 PM
alas I think we’d have to differ there
these things must take time; the people must come to know and love the tradition and desire it themselves
can’t force it
or try to use it against enemies (be it far from me to hold as foe any of the brethren!)
can’t force it
or try to use it against enemies (be it far from me to hold as foe any of the brethren!)
November 19, 2025 at 6:34 PM
these things must take time; the people must come to know and love the tradition and desire it themselves
can’t force it
or try to use it against enemies (be it far from me to hold as foe any of the brethren!)
can’t force it
or try to use it against enemies (be it far from me to hold as foe any of the brethren!)
right I get that
which is why rn I think we should just let people engage w the traditional and the modern rites freely, let people freely explore the good of the tradition (eg chant), and just take a stance against abuses and divisions alike
which is why rn I think we should just let people engage w the traditional and the modern rites freely, let people freely explore the good of the tradition (eg chant), and just take a stance against abuses and divisions alike
November 19, 2025 at 6:33 PM
right I get that
which is why rn I think we should just let people engage w the traditional and the modern rites freely, let people freely explore the good of the tradition (eg chant), and just take a stance against abuses and divisions alike
which is why rn I think we should just let people engage w the traditional and the modern rites freely, let people freely explore the good of the tradition (eg chant), and just take a stance against abuses and divisions alike
the reformers clearly thought the whole process of development in the 2nd millennium led to a basically unacceptable liturgy and clearly tried to basically reverse and alter all of that
I think we can then say that the new rites might also be, in the main, undesirable
I think we can then say that the new rites might also be, in the main, undesirable
November 19, 2025 at 6:16 PM
the reformers clearly thought the whole process of development in the 2nd millennium led to a basically unacceptable liturgy and clearly tried to basically reverse and alter all of that
I think we can then say that the new rites might also be, in the main, undesirable
I think we can then say that the new rites might also be, in the main, undesirable
I don’t think the new rites are evil or anything or that we have become a heretical church bc of them but I think they are as a whole pretty inadequate and I hope eventually we transition to smth that looks a lot more like what they replaced
November 19, 2025 at 6:15 PM
I don’t think the new rites are evil or anything or that we have become a heretical church bc of them but I think they are as a whole pretty inadequate and I hope eventually we transition to smth that looks a lot more like what they replaced