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ok and very pretty typesetting from michel feghali (1919) le parler arabe de kfàr‘abîda upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...
November 10, 2025 at 5:22 AM
ok and very pretty typesetting from michel feghali (1919) le parler arabe de kfàr‘abîda upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...
respectful, euphemistic terms of address from tripoli 1954 (altho due to the subject matter probably found across lebanon)
ḥåḍərtak حضْرتك, "your presence": to anyone
janǟbak جنابك, "your sides (kinda)/vicinity?": to anyone
saɛå̄ttak سعادتك, "your happiness": to a bey, pasha, or high-ranking official
ḥåḍərtak حضْرتك, "your presence": to anyone
janǟbak جنابك, "your sides (kinda)/vicinity?": to anyone
saɛå̄ttak سعادتك, "your happiness": to a bey, pasha, or high-ranking official
November 10, 2025 at 4:54 AM
respectful, euphemistic terms of address from tripoli 1954 (altho due to the subject matter probably found across lebanon)
ḥåḍərtak حضْرتك, "your presence": to anyone
janǟbak جنابك, "your sides (kinda)/vicinity?": to anyone
saɛå̄ttak سعادتك, "your happiness": to a bey, pasha, or high-ranking official
ḥåḍərtak حضْرتك, "your presence": to anyone
janǟbak جنابك, "your sides (kinda)/vicinity?": to anyone
saɛå̄ttak سعادتك, "your happiness": to a bey, pasha, or high-ranking official
this is my impression of maltese and i think tunisian/other maghrebi arabic (corroborated by the etym here), but i actually don't know the full details / if the overlap between relative and subordinating li is 100%
November 9, 2025 at 11:05 PM
this is my impression of maltese and i think tunisian/other maghrebi arabic (corroborated by the etym here), but i actually don't know the full details / if the overlap between relative and subordinating li is 100%
the word اللي lli, usually a relativizer (الزلمة اللي هون l-zalame lli hōn "the man that's here"), has a weird alternate usage: منيح اللي جيت mnīḥ lli jīt "good that you came"
i was proud of the og idea in the 2nd pic - BUT what prob actually happened (3rd pic) is so cool
(forgive clunky writing!)
i was proud of the og idea in the 2nd pic - BUT what prob actually happened (3rd pic) is so cool
(forgive clunky writing!)
![screenshot of the following wiktionary etymology with a mythbusters sorta "BUSTED" stamp overlaid on top:
Etymology 2:
Difficult to understand as an extension of the above [i.e. the relativizer اللي] due to the differences in syntax. Instead, perhaps a construction like *مْلِيح إِن (*mlīḥ ʔin, literally “good that”) underwent assimilation to become *مْلِيح ال (*mlīḥ (ʔ)il, “good that”), where the resulting *ال (*(ʔ)il) was reanalyzed as اللي (lli)'s byform ال (l-). This reanalysis would have allowed all other byforms, including اللي (lli) itself, to be used in this construction. Only later would the construction have spread to allow for adjectives other than مْلِيح (mlīḥ, “good”) as described in the usage note below.
Both terms of the proposed original *مْلِيح إِن (*mlīḥ ʔin, literally “good that”) are now unorthodox: مْلِيح (mlīḥ) is an archaic or rural form of what is now predominantly مْنِيح (mnīḥ, “good”), and a bare إِنْ (ʔin, “that”, complementizer) is absent from most Levantine varieties today in favor of a form with a fused expletive pronoun, إِنُّو (ʔinno). This reanalysis would have occurred before both of these terms fell from prominence. (Note, however, that Henri Fleisch recorded multiple Lebanese varieties that retained forms like إِنْ (ʔin) in his 1946–1974 studies of Lebanese Arabic.)
An alternative possibility is that the original phrase was already *مْنِيح إِن (*mnīḥ ʔin, literally “good that”) and that it shifted to *مْنِيح ال (*mnīḥ (ʔ)il, “good that”) in the process of dissimilation rather than assimilation.](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5gvygd24ilrqmbgsii2zzp3v/bafkreigj6t6uuvdk2jm2olanmr53vjuxusde2y4uy3iql4rtz23qy6d6sa@jpeg)
![screenshot of wiktionary quotation. the words اللي and illi are highlighted and bolded:
1902, Henry Minor Huxley, “Syrian Songs, Proverbs, and Stories: Collected, Translated, and Annotated”, in Journal of the American Oriental Society[1], volume 23 (overall work in English), Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts: American Oriental Society, passage #103, pages 242–244:
الوزير علّم مرة حتّى توقف على الدرب وصارت تسبّ وتقول الحمد للّه اللي مات الشيخ الفاخوري يخرب بيته اللّه يغمّق له عمره ما يرجع. قال لها لو كنت مش ميّت كنت بقوم ليكي.
l-wazīr ʕallam mara ḥatta tūʔaf ʕala d-darb w ṣārit tasibb w tʔūl l-ḥumdilla illi māt š-šayḵ l-fāḵūri yaḵrub baytu ʔaḷḷa yiḡammiʔlu ʕomru ma yərjaʕ. ʔallha law kunt muš mayyit kunt baʔūm layki.
[original: il-wezîr 3allem mara ḥɒtta tûʾaf 3ala'd-derb ū-ṣârit tesibb witʾûl il-ḥomd ílla illī mä̂t iš-šêḫ il-fāḫûrī yaḫrub bêtu ɒlla yiǧɒmmíʾlū 3omrū ma yörja3. ʾallha lau kunt muš mêyit kunt beʾ̂ūm lêki.]
The vizîr instructed a woman to stand on the road; she began to curse and say, "Praise be to God that he who has died is the jar-maker, (who was) an elder. May his house be destroyed; may God make his grave deep, and may his life not return." The jar-maker replied, "Were I not dead, I would rise against you!"
The given English translation is Huxley's. He somewhat misunderstands the expression عُمْرُه مَا يِرْجَع (ʕumro ma yirjaʕ, “may he never return for his entire life”, used this way even though the sheikh is allegedly already dead). It is unknown whether he similarly misunderstood the expression with اللي (lli), which in modern times would be understood as الحمدالله اللي مات الشيخ (l-ḥamdilla lli māt š-šayḵ, “thank God that the sheikh died”), or if it had indeed not yet undergone the reanalysis in question in 1902.](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5gvygd24ilrqmbgsii2zzp3v/bafkreihjnaws7q4u5yskyfed7pkq62ns3yh5qd57mvde6ghn4tq2clkv6q@jpeg)
November 9, 2025 at 9:21 PM
the word اللي lli, usually a relativizer (الزلمة اللي هون l-zalame lli hōn "the man that's here"), has a weird alternate usage: منيح اللي جيت mnīḥ lli jīt "good that you came"
i was proud of the og idea in the 2nd pic - BUT what prob actually happened (3rd pic) is so cool
(forgive clunky writing!)
i was proud of the og idea in the 2nd pic - BUT what prob actually happened (3rd pic) is so cool
(forgive clunky writing!)
thought this was a reply to mark i was so fucking confused
![bluesky screenshot:
Benjamin Suchard @bnuyaminim.bsky.social · 41m
Favourite sentences from my Levantine #Arabic course so far:
rāyḥa laḥalab 'I'm/you're/she's going to Aleppo'
ʔēmta btibda? 'When does it (f.) start?'
bfaḍḍel ʔibʔa bilbēt 'I prefer to stay home'
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Mark Shockley @shjsat.baky.social · 22m
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forstomakdis.bsky.social @forstomakdis.bsky.social · 27m
Rinat bar on top of tanks waving israeli flag natali peretz obviously addicted to crack yeah that's enough israeli music for today](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5gvygd24ilrqmbgsii2zzp3v/bafkreifwtp5brksllnfoze5znrcoi36tznoufgmqotluvoo4lwc6wng2hm@jpeg)
November 9, 2025 at 7:23 AM
thought this was a reply to mark i was so fucking confused
yes great point, the one curiosity here imo is the analysis of the 3rd series as having the -t attached when (i believe) the correct analysis is that these are count plurals: tödroʿ, törğfe, tVmtâr, tiyyâm
el-hahjé actually notes some telling exceptions so i wonder if he would have instead analyzed
el-hahjé actually notes some telling exceptions so i wonder if he would have instead analyzed
November 8, 2025 at 9:25 PM
yes great point, the one curiosity here imo is the analysis of the 3rd series as having the -t attached when (i believe) the correct analysis is that these are count plurals: tödroʿ, törğfe, tVmtâr, tiyyâm
el-hahjé actually notes some telling exceptions so i wonder if he would have instead analyzed
el-hahjé actually notes some telling exceptions so i wonder if he would have instead analyzed
it's also "absent from literature for" bint jbeil afaict (elrabih mekki (1984) the lebanese dialect of arabic: southern region), but if memory serves, the speaker in the ilovelanguages video above is actually from bint jbeil
November 8, 2025 at 9:01 PM
it's also "absent from literature for" bint jbeil afaict (elrabih mekki (1984) the lebanese dialect of arabic: southern region), but if memory serves, the speaker in the ilovelanguages video above is actually from bint jbeil
salam al-rassi b. 1911 SE leb
ʔana baʕeɖ meɖɖi ṭawīli ḥakayta bet-talvezyōn. w-ṛāḥat meɖɖi waʔella ʔensēn mɳel-žanūb… šefto layš ʔana betʕaṣṣab lel-žanūb? zalame mɳel-žanūb ʔeʐ̌a sal—
after a long time i told it on TV. later suddenly a jnoubi… you see why i'm so gung-ho abt the south? a jnoubi came—
ʔana baʕeɖ meɖɖi ṭawīli ḥakayta bet-talvezyōn. w-ṛāḥat meɖɖi waʔella ʔensēn mɳel-žanūb… šefto layš ʔana betʕaṣṣab lel-žanūb? zalame mɳel-žanūb ʔeʐ̌a sal—
after a long time i told it on TV. later suddenly a jnoubi… you see why i'm so gung-ho abt the south? a jnoubi came—
November 8, 2025 at 8:26 PM
salam al-rassi b. 1911 SE leb
ʔana baʕeɖ meɖɖi ṭawīli ḥakayta bet-talvezyōn. w-ṛāḥat meɖɖi waʔella ʔensēn mɳel-žanūb… šefto layš ʔana betʕaṣṣab lel-žanūb? zalame mɳel-žanūb ʔeʐ̌a sal—
after a long time i told it on TV. later suddenly a jnoubi… you see why i'm so gung-ho abt the south? a jnoubi came—
ʔana baʕeɖ meɖɖi ṭawīli ḥakayta bet-talvezyōn. w-ṛāḥat meɖɖi waʔella ʔensēn mɳel-žanūb… šefto layš ʔana betʕaṣṣab lel-žanūb? zalame mɳel-žanūb ʔeʐ̌a sal—
after a long time i told it on TV. later suddenly a jnoubi… you see why i'm so gung-ho abt the south? a jnoubi came—
translations don't help, غار حنك نطع are all allegedly "palate" in english and ar.wikipedia's حرف نطعي page corresponds to the en.wikipedia page for "coronal consonant" somehow… meanwhile wiktionary says نطعي = "dental" but then why is the نطع below seemingly the alveolar ridge or smth postalveolar?
November 8, 2025 at 7:59 PM
translations don't help, غار حنك نطع are all allegedly "palate" in english and ar.wikipedia's حرف نطعي page corresponds to the en.wikipedia page for "coronal consonant" somehow… meanwhile wiktionary says نطعي = "dental" but then why is the نطع below seemingly the alveolar ridge or smth postalveolar?
there's a sort of r-like, *maybe* retroflex pronunciation of d found throughout south lebanon, you can hear it in the vid in the last post
anecdotally i think i've heard it (+ for other voiced coronals) from east leb too
to that point here are fleisch's 1946 notes on zahle… what is dâl niṭʿiyya?
anecdotally i think i've heard it (+ for other voiced coronals) from east leb too
to that point here are fleisch's 1946 notes on zahle… what is dâl niṭʿiyya?
November 8, 2025 at 7:59 PM
there's a sort of r-like, *maybe* retroflex pronunciation of d found throughout south lebanon, you can hear it in the vid in the last post
anecdotally i think i've heard it (+ for other voiced coronals) from east leb too
to that point here are fleisch's 1946 notes on zahle… what is dâl niṭʿiyya?
anecdotally i think i've heard it (+ for other voiced coronals) from east leb too
to that point here are fleisch's 1946 notes on zahle… what is dâl niṭʿiyya?
after this i thought that maybe f. عَجُوز ʕajūz was his own thing, or that it correlated with the form إِخْتْيَار ʔixtyār rather than خِتْيَار xityār, or at *least* that it was a rural thing (he's from a smallish village), but look what i just found in raphael nakhla 1937 grammaire du dialecte libano-syrien:
November 8, 2025 at 4:30 AM
after this i thought that maybe f. عَجُوز ʕajūz was his own thing, or that it correlated with the form إِخْتْيَار ʔixtyār rather than خِتْيَار xityār, or at *least* that it was a rural thing (he's from a smallish village), but look what i just found in raphael nakhla 1937 grammaire du dialecte libano-syrien:
ʔixtyār إِخْتْيَار is also the form used by salam al-rassi, b. 1911 in hasbayya in SE lebanon
3) the feminine of خِتيَار xityār is خِتْيَارَة xityāra 'old woman', which makes perfect sense, you just stick the feminine ending -a onto it. except i found out that salam al-rassi does it differently lol:
3) the feminine of خِتيَار xityār is خِتْيَارَة xityāra 'old woman', which makes perfect sense, you just stick the feminine ending -a onto it. except i found out that salam al-rassi does it differently lol:
November 8, 2025 at 4:30 AM
ʔixtyār إِخْتْيَار is also the form used by salam al-rassi, b. 1911 in hasbayya in SE lebanon
3) the feminine of خِتيَار xityār is خِتْيَارَة xityāra 'old woman', which makes perfect sense, you just stick the feminine ending -a onto it. except i found out that salam al-rassi does it differently lol:
3) the feminine of خِتيَار xityār is خِتْيَارَة xityāra 'old woman', which makes perfect sense, you just stick the feminine ending -a onto it. except i found out that salam al-rassi does it differently lol:
wiktionary put me onto the idea that the meaning's prob "based on the idea that the elders (of a village, etc) are select" which is kinda like how مُخْتَار muxtār 'mayor' is just the word 'chosen'
2) sound-wise, i found out recently that some dialects resolved *خْتْيَار *xtyār differently: إِخْتْيَار ʔixtyār
2) sound-wise, i found out recently that some dialects resolved *خْتْيَار *xtyār differently: إِخْتْيَار ʔixtyār
November 8, 2025 at 4:30 AM
wiktionary put me onto the idea that the meaning's prob "based on the idea that the elders (of a village, etc) are select" which is kinda like how مُخْتَار muxtār 'mayor' is just the word 'chosen'
2) sound-wise, i found out recently that some dialects resolved *خْتْيَار *xtyār differently: إِخْتْيَار ʔixtyār
2) sound-wise, i found out recently that some dialects resolved *خْتْيَار *xtyār differently: إِخْتْيَار ʔixtyār
i read el-hajjé 1954 le parler arabe du tripoli liban (left) first and had insane deja vu the instant i saw nakhla 1937 grammaire du dialecte libano-syrien (right)
el-hajjé does have nakhla in his bibliography so i guess he used him as a guide for this part kinda, the rest of the chapter diverges
el-hajjé does have nakhla in his bibliography so i guess he used him as a guide for this part kinda, the rest of the chapter diverges
November 8, 2025 at 3:18 AM
i read el-hajjé 1954 le parler arabe du tripoli liban (left) first and had insane deja vu the instant i saw nakhla 1937 grammaire du dialecte libano-syrien (right)
el-hajjé does have nakhla in his bibliography so i guess he used him as a guide for this part kinda, the rest of the chapter diverges
el-hajjé does have nakhla in his bibliography so i guess he used him as a guide for this part kinda, the rest of the chapter diverges
oops "passive-reflexive verbs in lebanese*" not reflexive-passive
there are also two more historical studies about tripoli that do have bib citations, by muhammad qassim ("the dialect of tripoli between native and foreign terms" and "between etymologizing and [not sure, smth about rules?]") 1995–96
there are also two more historical studies about tripoli that do have bib citations, by muhammad qassim ("the dialect of tripoli between native and foreign terms" and "between etymologizing and [not sure, smth about rules?]") 1995–96
November 7, 2025 at 10:51 PM
oops "passive-reflexive verbs in lebanese*" not reflexive-passive
there are also two more historical studies about tripoli that do have bib citations, by muhammad qassim ("the dialect of tripoli between native and foreign terms" and "between etymologizing and [not sure, smth about rules?]") 1995–96
there are also two more historical studies about tripoli that do have bib citations, by muhammad qassim ("the dialect of tripoli between native and foreign terms" and "between etymologizing and [not sure, smth about rules?]") 1995–96
found this, a lil overwhelming lol
"the literature on lebanese varieties is abundant but we chose to content ourselves with referencing the academic studies we were able to access"
- phonological study of aalay by kamal bishr that i can't find
- reflexive-passive verbs by samir a. ABSI 1962
"the literature on lebanese varieties is abundant but we chose to content ourselves with referencing the academic studies we were able to access"
- phonological study of aalay by kamal bishr that i can't find
- reflexive-passive verbs by samir a. ABSI 1962
November 7, 2025 at 10:07 PM
found this, a lil overwhelming lol
"the literature on lebanese varieties is abundant but we chose to content ourselves with referencing the academic studies we were able to access"
- phonological study of aalay by kamal bishr that i can't find
- reflexive-passive verbs by samir a. ABSI 1962
"the literature on lebanese varieties is abundant but we chose to content ourselves with referencing the academic studies we were able to access"
- phonological study of aalay by kamal bishr that i can't find
- reflexive-passive verbs by samir a. ABSI 1962
wrote this alt text right right as i was turning in for the night and i genuinely think i was hallucinating/slipping into sleep as i wrote it lol (it is truthful though i guess, rereading it now i indeed have no idea "what a satle actually is")
redid it in the alt text for this screenshot here
redid it in the alt text for this screenshot here
November 6, 2025 at 1:51 AM
wrote this alt text right right as i was turning in for the night and i genuinely think i was hallucinating/slipping into sleep as i wrote it lol (it is truthful though i guess, rereading it now i indeed have no idea "what a satle actually is")
redid it in the alt text for this screenshot here
redid it in the alt text for this screenshot here
aw man :( found out why i haven't heard of the chanay or chouf or baalbek studies before
(actually mekki's 1983 bint jbeil thesis is also formally unpublished but it's still accessible online... he did it at georgetown tho, i guess they digitize their theses)
(actually mekki's 1983 bint jbeil thesis is also formally unpublished but it's still accessible online... he did it at georgetown tho, i guess they digitize their theses)
![screenshot of citation:
Riman, Souha Fawzi, Analysis of the variation of the voiceless uvular stop [q] in the speech of the Druze of the Shouf region. Unpublished M.A. dissertation. Beirut (2008): American University of Beirut.](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5gvygd24ilrqmbgsii2zzp3v/bafkreiekryt6qd5s6newwax3kzb5gbzjxwnnb7gf46vgnnd5bklnjadckm@jpeg)
November 6, 2025 at 1:33 AM
aw man :( found out why i haven't heard of the chanay or chouf or baalbek studies before
(actually mekki's 1983 bint jbeil thesis is also formally unpublished but it's still accessible online... he did it at georgetown tho, i guess they digitize their theses)
(actually mekki's 1983 bint jbeil thesis is also formally unpublished but it's still accessible online... he did it at georgetown tho, i guess they digitize their theses)
OKAY two things
#1 discovered 2 more lebanese references today, one on beirut's msaytbe nbhd (1997) and the other on a village called zeitoun (2014), and the latter offers its OWN non-bib list i can compare against!
#2 speaking of lists i forgot to link this prior tweet, same idea as the above map
#1 discovered 2 more lebanese references today, one on beirut's msaytbe nbhd (1997) and the other on a village called zeitoun (2014), and the latter offers its OWN non-bib list i can compare against!
#2 speaking of lists i forgot to link this prior tweet, same idea as the above map
![screenshot of the list of lebanese references from the zeitoun publication:
Lebanese Dialect (not specific to region)
• Dialect survey of the syntax of Lebanese dialects (Feghali 1928)
• Dialect survey of various Lebanese dialects, mainly concentrated on Mount Lebanon, though including North and South governorates (Fleish [sic btw] 1974)
• Phonology of Lebanese dialects (Abdul-Karim 1980)
• A grammar of Lebanese dialects (Thackston 1996)
• Phonemic system in Lebanese Dialect (Obégi 1971)
North Governorate
• Bishmizzine, Koura district (Jiha 1964)
• Tripoli (el-Hajje 1954)
• Kfar ʿAbîda, Batroun District (Feghali 1919)
Beqaa Governorate
• Baalbeck (Lakkis 1987)
Mount Lebanon Governorate
• Chanaay, Aley District (Druze population) (Zein 1981)
• Baskinta, Metn District (Abu-Haidar 1979)
• Shouf District (Druze population) (Riman 2008)
Beirut Governorate
• Ras Beirut, specifically the area of ʿAyn al Muraysá (Naïm-Sanbar 1985)
• Moussaytbe, Beirut (Srage 1997)
South Governorate
• Bint Jbeil (Makki 1983)](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5gvygd24ilrqmbgsii2zzp3v/bafkreiezih53kzp5xdhzh66ee23mydjwycwdzgkz7k45thkw77eyq2oo2m@jpeg)
November 6, 2025 at 1:17 AM
OKAY two things
#1 discovered 2 more lebanese references today, one on beirut's msaytbe nbhd (1997) and the other on a village called zeitoun (2014), and the latter offers its OWN non-bib list i can compare against!
#2 speaking of lists i forgot to link this prior tweet, same idea as the above map
#1 discovered 2 more lebanese references today, one on beirut's msaytbe nbhd (1997) and the other on a village called zeitoun (2014), and the latter offers its OWN non-bib list i can compare against!
#2 speaking of lists i forgot to link this prior tweet, same idea as the above map
![screenshot of book, the names of missing villages highlighted:
G. Bergstrasser dans son Sprachatlas (ZDPV, 38, 1915) n'a touché
le pays métouali qu'à Baalbek et seulement en fonction de son enquête générale et de ses buts. Le dialectal des Métoualis est donc resté inconnu. Pour moi, j'ai effectué un séjour d'un mois et demi à Ain Ibil, village maronite, entouré de Chiites. J'ai étudié le dialecte d'Ain Ibil et observé le langage des Chiites. Il se révéla particulièrement intéressant. Par la suite j'ai fait quatre enquêtes au magnétophone, au Liban Sud, à Hâroûf près de la frontière Nord du pays métouali; Litani, à Zerariyé; à el-Khiâm, près de la frontière Est de ce pays; en plein centre, près de Tibnîne, à Khirbet Salem. J'ai pu étudier p·arti rulièrement ce dernier village, grâce au concours d'un homme du pays, M. Abd el-IIasan Sa'ad, qui s'intéressait à son dialecte et avait déjà, de
lui-même, composé un recuei] de 1500 proverbes de son pays chiite. La présente communication vise d'abord le parler de Khlrbet Salem.](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5gvygd24ilrqmbgsii2zzp3v/bafkreiaq642mq4soox3erffp5seebbjnlyyispdmn3yyzcq4zcymvi2yni@jpeg)
November 5, 2025 at 8:23 AM
quick map of what's on record for lebanon
does not include survey results (eg from fleisch's inquests or bergstraesser's atlas), nor the one grotzfeld paper with fun facts on bludan & stuff, nor a collection of fleisch recordings i just found (next post). also saida has no materials idk why green
does not include survey results (eg from fleisch's inquests or bergstraesser's atlas), nor the one grotzfeld paper with fun facts on bludan & stuff, nor a collection of fleisch recordings i just found (next post). also saida has no materials idk why green
November 5, 2025 at 8:13 AM
quick map of what's on record for lebanon
does not include survey results (eg from fleisch's inquests or bergstraesser's atlas), nor the one grotzfeld paper with fun facts on bludan & stuff, nor a collection of fleisch recordings i just found (next post). also saida has no materials idk why green
does not include survey results (eg from fleisch's inquests or bergstraesser's atlas), nor the one grotzfeld paper with fun facts on bludan & stuff, nor a collection of fleisch recordings i just found (next post). also saida has no materials idk why green
"and they held a funeral and afterwards they took him to the cemetery and buried him, god have mercy on his soul... he died an awful death, butros"
...
"as for the question of how 3rd-weak verbs conjugate in the perfective, the dialect of hammana has adopted an original solution,"
...
"as for the question of how 3rd-weak verbs conjugate in the perfective, the dialect of hammana has adopted an original solution,"
![screenshot of book:
LA MORT DE MAÎTRE PIERRE.
Pierre était monté sur l'ânesse et allait l'abreuver à la source; un
petit peu avant qu'il n'arrive,. vint le chien des voisins et il aboyait contre lui. Pierre lui disait:« Va-t-en d'ici» et ille frappait de [son] bâton pour qu'il s'en aille. Il ne partait pas, si bien que l'ânesse s'effaroucha; elle s'effaroucha et se mit à fuir. Elle sautait, en haut, en bas; elle arriva près d'une grosse pierre et sauta par-dessus. Elle fit tomber Pierre par terre. Hélas! sa tête alla donner contre un gros rocher et le sang jaillit de sa tête à gros bouillons. Il n'y avait personne pour venir l'aider, pou:r venir le sauver et soigner sa blessure. Il resta sur place jusqu'à perte entière de son sang; deux, trois heures après, il était du nombre de ceux [promis] à la décomposition, Pierre était mort.
Les gens vinrent, s'attroupèrent autour de lui pour voir ce qui était arrivé; ils le trouvèrent raidi [par la mort]. Ils le portèrent à [sa maison] et commencèrent les lamentations: ils se mirent à pousser des clameurs, des cris; sa femme s'arrachait les cheveux, ses enfants pleuraient et tous se donnaient des coups. Ensuite ils l'emportèrent à l'église, firent les cérémonies funèbres; et ensuite ils l'emportèrent au cimetière et le mirent au tombeau, Dieu ait pitié de lui! Il mourut de mort affreuse le maître Pierre.
REMARQUE.
Dans la question de la conjugaison des verbes à 3e cons. radicale y,
à l'accompli, le parler de Hammâna a adopté une solution originale où](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5gvygd24ilrqmbgsii2zzp3v/bafkreicxomro5dt5ulua3hazwdfcpwioflsjyff4rjnkrbw7xw3v6ntxmq@jpeg)
November 4, 2025 at 7:55 PM
"and they held a funeral and afterwards they took him to the cemetery and buried him, god have mercy on his soul... he died an awful death, butros"
...
"as for the question of how 3rd-weak verbs conjugate in the perfective, the dialect of hammana has adopted an original solution,"
...
"as for the question of how 3rd-weak verbs conjugate in the perfective, the dialect of hammana has adopted an original solution,"
more word-initial elision:
zalame mɳel-žanūb ʔeʐ̌a sallam ʕaleyye qalle [ʔana ?? banīn] ʕalayk, kθīr. tello layš?
"A guy from the South came and introduced himself to me, he told me, '[I'm ?] on you a lot'. I told/asked him, 'why?'"
tello "I told him" at the end is reduced from qeltello (verb qāl)
zalame mɳel-žanūb ʔeʐ̌a sallam ʕaleyye qalle [ʔana ?? banīn] ʕalayk, kθīr. tello layš?
"A guy from the South came and introduced himself to me, he told me, '[I'm ?] on you a lot'. I told/asked him, 'why?'"
tello "I told him" at the end is reduced from qeltello (verb qāl)
November 3, 2025 at 4:09 AM
more word-initial elision:
zalame mɳel-žanūb ʔeʐ̌a sallam ʕaleyye qalle [ʔana ?? banīn] ʕalayk, kθīr. tello layš?
"A guy from the South came and introduced himself to me, he told me, '[I'm ?] on you a lot'. I told/asked him, 'why?'"
tello "I told him" at the end is reduced from qeltello (verb qāl)
zalame mɳel-žanūb ʔeʐ̌a sallam ʕaleyye qalle [ʔana ?? banīn] ʕalayk, kθīr. tello layš?
"A guy from the South came and introduced himself to me, he told me, '[I'm ?] on you a lot'. I told/asked him, 'why?'"
tello "I told him" at the end is reduced from qeltello (verb qāl)
neat diminutive: mṣayra, ⟨mṣai̯ra⟩ (i would've thought mṣayriyye/⟨mṣai̯riyye⟩, but this might be forced by the rhyme)
for that matter, neat original singular i didn't know was used: məṣriyye 'a coin'
for that matter, neat original singular i didn't know was used: məṣriyye 'a coin'
![screenshot of book; "petits sous" at the end is highlighted:
[chapter title at top of page] TEXTES DIALECTAUX INÉDITS
[story title] HISTOIRE POUR LES PETITS ENFANTS
Il y avait une toute petite fille
qui balayait la petite natte;
elle trouva cinq petits sous.](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5gvygd24ilrqmbgsii2zzp3v/bafkreie67yleya3w3czwol7c7aw6sln3v7wblpau47gmabptrxins3iqk4@jpeg)
November 2, 2025 at 8:34 PM
neat diminutive: mṣayra, ⟨mṣai̯ra⟩ (i would've thought mṣayriyye/⟨mṣai̯riyye⟩, but this might be forced by the rhyme)
for that matter, neat original singular i didn't know was used: məṣriyye 'a coin'
for that matter, neat original singular i didn't know was used: məṣriyye 'a coin'