Not even talking about Forge is *wild* to me. Deck won EW NA twice in a row and got two years worth of answers to the best and most common hate for the deck. Zero sentences about it at all.

It's also hate that's so specialized, which is doubly frustrating. Acknowledging my bias, I do genuinely believe that banning forge and reanimator cards would have made Nadu significantly less well-positioned and creature removal/hate is way more ubiquitous and easy to play. Wild change

I think the big issue with pointing more hate at forge is that people already play their wastelands, meltdowns, consigns, and null rods and it's still clearly not enough. The deck got far too much access to answers to rod and wasteland the past two years

Vintage, Pioneer: No Changes

Standard: Cauldron, Proft's, Into the Floodmaw

Modern: nothing mid-season. Maybe changes early next year.

Legacy: Tamiyo, the One Ring, Reanimate, Nadu (even though I don't really think the decks are too good), and I think Oops will be on a watch list as well

As if to illustrate my point, I just got an on color mox in pack 3 pick 3

I feel like I've been drafting the most cracked decks in this cube and I think it's because arena gamers might not be used to vintage cubing

The difference for me has always come from the fact that in my physics and math classes I could always build up from first principles when I didn't understand something or forgot it, even in stuff like QM that's far removed from mechanics, and I never felt that way OrGo (most chem and bio classes).

I would hate that because despite being a science minded person with a science degree I fucking hate OrGo

And if you don't feel that's true for you, I would encourage you to make it true. Become part of a community. Fight that perception. It's so much harder to say goodbye when you know your neighbors, your coworkers, etc. look forward to seeing you and being a part of your life.