Don't know where the background noise comes from. It is not part of the video when I post it elsewhere online or play it in a player app. If you have any suggestions, would appreciate hearing from you. But listen closely and you can hear her message through the noise.

Great sweater. A little short on Dief, but very 1950s/60s. And good for you for using that name for it; the other name was derogatory even then, but very commonly used.

You're alive and smiling. How could anyone object?

We talk with Ivan, who is teaching sustainability and learn-by-doing in Lesotho, a poor country in southern Africa. The school he started, Bethel Business and Community Development Centre, has provided education and practical skills training for more than 30 years.