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But that causes more mods in the design and increases costs further . Ultimately i would like to conclude this rant ( for now ) by saying this happened because USN badly fucked up it's modernization from the end of the cold war to in the 2010's
June 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM
But that causes more mods in the design and increases costs further . Ultimately i would like to conclude this rant ( for now ) by saying this happened because USN badly fucked up it's modernization from the end of the cold war to in the 2010's
Given USN preferring more capability in design. Also while Burke to Connie vls ratio is thing do consider Burke as a class has been on the production line for like 30 yrs and 32 vls is the general ASW FFG vls cell number , now there is option to make it bigger and give it 48 vls
June 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM
Given USN preferring more capability in design. Also while Burke to Connie vls ratio is thing do consider Burke as a class has been on the production line for like 30 yrs and 32 vls is the general ASW FFG vls cell number , now there is option to make it bigger and give it 48 vls
Unless you wanted something like a MMSC/ Modded LCS/ NSC type frigate good and but not as capable and ASW capability bit ? And given the relatively short program to procurement timeline companies couldn't present a tailor made design.. wouldn't have made that much of difference
June 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM
Unless you wanted something like a MMSC/ Modded LCS/ NSC type frigate good and but not as capable and ASW capability bit ? And given the relatively short program to procurement timeline companies couldn't present a tailor made design.. wouldn't have made that much of difference
Keep in mind I have not read the latest figures and my knowledge is a bit rusty .Initial Constellation class are expected to cost to 1.2$ billion USD and eventually settling around 1 billion USD that's alot correct . USN initial thinking of 750 million USD frigate were fantasy
June 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM
Keep in mind I have not read the latest figures and my knowledge is a bit rusty .Initial Constellation class are expected to cost to 1.2$ billion USD and eventually settling around 1 billion USD that's alot correct . USN initial thinking of 750 million USD frigate were fantasy
Thanks for listening into the rant will now change over to cost structure form the next post
June 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM
Thanks for listening into the rant will now change over to cost structure form the next post
The upgraded versions does but good luck making a USN specific version . Lastly we have some other competitors like MEKO and South Korean FFX all great but same problem integration of USN equipment and technical requirements
June 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM
The upgraded versions does but good luck making a USN specific version . Lastly we have some other competitors like MEKO and South Korean FFX all great but same problem integration of USN equipment and technical requirements
Next up Mogami , people often say they are cheap ..which is true but they aren't produced in US yards which would really drive up the price . Apart from the design changes required for radar and internals i don't think og Mogami evens passes the FFGX requirement of 16 vls min
June 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM
Next up Mogami , people often say they are cheap ..which is true but they aren't produced in US yards which would really drive up the price . Apart from the design changes required for radar and internals i don't think og Mogami evens passes the FFGX requirement of 16 vls min
Coming to next bit ,above were the FFGX competitors let's look at some of the other ships that are talked about.
Type 26 derivative - Basically CSC 2.0 given delays + adjustments in that program we would get a similar internet reaction
Type 26 derivative - Basically CSC 2.0 given delays + adjustments in that program we would get a similar internet reaction
June 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM
Coming to next bit ,above were the FFGX competitors let's look at some of the other ships that are talked about.
Type 26 derivative - Basically CSC 2.0 given delays + adjustments in that program we would get a similar internet reaction
Type 26 derivative - Basically CSC 2.0 given delays + adjustments in that program we would get a similar internet reaction
Is exactly new but for ASW duties the latter is much better.
Next come we have Modded LCS's
I don't think I need to ramble why they would have been a suboptimal choice . Between having less vls , being derived from not so optimal FFG design you get the point
Next come we have Modded LCS's
I don't think I need to ramble why they would have been a suboptimal choice . Between having less vls , being derived from not so optimal FFG design you get the point
June 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM
Is exactly new but for ASW duties the latter is much better.
Next come we have Modded LCS's
I don't think I need to ramble why they would have been a suboptimal choice . Between having less vls , being derived from not so optimal FFG design you get the point
Next come we have Modded LCS's
I don't think I need to ramble why they would have been a suboptimal choice . Between having less vls , being derived from not so optimal FFG design you get the point
F-100
Very nice ship , has more cells and already equipped with USN standard equipment would have been produced in BiW iirc so much less workforce related delay probably too . But the fundamental problem as i understand is it's a AAW design and bit old one that not saying FREMM
Very nice ship , has more cells and already equipped with USN standard equipment would have been produced in BiW iirc so much less workforce related delay probably too . But the fundamental problem as i understand is it's a AAW design and bit old one that not saying FREMM
June 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM
F-100
Very nice ship , has more cells and already equipped with USN standard equipment would have been produced in BiW iirc so much less workforce related delay probably too . But the fundamental problem as i understand is it's a AAW design and bit old one that not saying FREMM
Very nice ship , has more cells and already equipped with USN standard equipment would have been produced in BiW iirc so much less workforce related delay probably too . But the fundamental problem as i understand is it's a AAW design and bit old one that not saying FREMM
They can hire alot , there is no wartime push for quick construction ( or for people join ) and maybe salary isn't enough to stay in Marinette . In the next section i will see what people generally propose and the pro and cons of that ( mostly cons )
June 14, 2025 at 9:21 PM
They can hire alot , there is no wartime push for quick construction ( or for people join ) and maybe salary isn't enough to stay in Marinette . In the next section i will see what people generally propose and the pro and cons of that ( mostly cons )
Cause of delay it's isn't the primary factor . The more important thing in the delays is FMM is running late they have workforce shortages and another program ( FMS Saudi MMSC) that need to be completed . So they are busy with that and recruitment of new employees and it's not
June 14, 2025 at 9:21 PM
Cause of delay it's isn't the primary factor . The more important thing in the delays is FMM is running late they have workforce shortages and another program ( FMS Saudi MMSC) that need to be completed . So they are busy with that and recruitment of new employees and it's not
Continuing many people also can't understand USN has different technical requirements that has caused internal change + weight change , but again those become necessary given the whole structure of the ship is being changed for the USN . P.S from what I understand while it's a
June 14, 2025 at 9:21 PM
Continuing many people also can't understand USN has different technical requirements that has caused internal change + weight change , but again those become necessary given the whole structure of the ship is being changed for the USN . P.S from what I understand while it's a
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Sources
1)1)https://secwww.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/content/techdigest/pdf/V16-N04/16-04-APLteam.pdf
2)https://secwww.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/Content/techdigest/pdf/V23-N2-3/23-02-Grant.pdf
3)https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/event/171214_RADM_Hill_CSIS_USNI.pdf
Sources
1)1)https://secwww.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/content/techdigest/pdf/V16-N04/16-04-APLteam.pdf
2)https://secwww.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/Content/techdigest/pdf/V23-N2-3/23-02-Grant.pdf
3)https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/event/171214_RADM_Hill_CSIS_USNI.pdf
December 14, 2024 at 8:05 PM
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Sources
1)1)https://secwww.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/content/techdigest/pdf/V16-N04/16-04-APLteam.pdf
2)https://secwww.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/Content/techdigest/pdf/V23-N2-3/23-02-Grant.pdf
3)https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/event/171214_RADM_Hill_CSIS_USNI.pdf
Sources
1)1)https://secwww.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/content/techdigest/pdf/V16-N04/16-04-APLteam.pdf
2)https://secwww.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/Content/techdigest/pdf/V23-N2-3/23-02-Grant.pdf
3)https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/event/171214_RADM_Hill_CSIS_USNI.pdf
CEC Antenna evolution (16/n)
December 14, 2024 at 8:02 PM
CEC Antenna evolution (16/n)
This also goes for TBM interception . What was once a concept can now be done in reality (15/n)
December 14, 2024 at 8:02 PM
This also goes for TBM interception . What was once a concept can now be done in reality (15/n)
Over time USN has further enhanced CEC , by integrating more ships/planes and programs such as Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air (NIFC-CA) which itself was built Forward Pass to extend the battle space (14/n)
December 14, 2024 at 8:01 PM
Over time USN has further enhanced CEC , by integrating more ships/planes and programs such as Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air (NIFC-CA) which itself was built Forward Pass to extend the battle space (14/n)
In 2001 CEC faced its biggest test OPEVAL and TECHEVAL. It had 18 days of at-sea testing with 10 warships, 198 dedicated aircraft sorties, 43 drone presentations, and 29 missile firings and CEC excelled in every scenario . Notable this test was the one with the Big Crow aircraft (13/n)
December 14, 2024 at 8:00 PM
In 2001 CEC faced its biggest test OPEVAL and TECHEVAL. It had 18 days of at-sea testing with 10 warships, 198 dedicated aircraft sorties, 43 drone presentations, and 29 missile firings and CEC excelled in every scenario . Notable this test was the one with the Big Crow aircraft (13/n)
Post this USS Dwight D. Eisenhower battlegroup
participated in a series of Joint Task Force-95 (JTF-95) exercises to further test out CEC.Such as cueing and composite tracking of a TBM target , CEC data was made available to Army Patriot and USMC Hawk Radars. (12/n)
participated in a series of Joint Task Force-95 (JTF-95) exercises to further test out CEC.Such as cueing and composite tracking of a TBM target , CEC data was made available to Army Patriot and USMC Hawk Radars. (12/n)
December 14, 2024 at 8:00 PM
Post this USS Dwight D. Eisenhower battlegroup
participated in a series of Joint Task Force-95 (JTF-95) exercises to further test out CEC.Such as cueing and composite tracking of a TBM target , CEC data was made available to Army Patriot and USMC Hawk Radars. (12/n)
participated in a series of Joint Task Force-95 (JTF-95) exercises to further test out CEC.Such as cueing and composite tracking of a TBM target , CEC data was made available to Army Patriot and USMC Hawk Radars. (12/n)
In June 1994, a CEC-equipped battle group tested its capabilities at the AFWTF(Atlantic Fleet Weapons Test Facility). Sea-skimming drones and ECM aircraft simulated complex threats. The group practiced networked air defense under severe electronic countermeasures. (11/n)
December 14, 2024 at 7:59 PM
In June 1994, a CEC-equipped battle group tested its capabilities at the AFWTF(Atlantic Fleet Weapons Test Facility). Sea-skimming drones and ECM aircraft simulated complex threats. The group practiced networked air defense under severe electronic countermeasures. (11/n)