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He lifts and repositions his right foot (pivot foot) before starting the dribble at the top of the key as much or more as he does on the step through on the wing. The pivot foot is treated differently when shooting/passing than when initiating dribble.
December 9, 2025 at 7:48 PM
He lifts and repositions his right foot (pivot foot) before starting the dribble at the top of the key as much or more as he does on the step through on the wing. The pivot foot is treated differently when shooting/passing than when initiating dribble.
The step after the gather establishes the pivot foot as the right foot. He can ”step” with his left as much as he wants to after that. There is no limit to how many times a player can pivot.
December 9, 2025 at 7:43 PM
The step after the gather establishes the pivot foot as the right foot. He can ”step” with his left as much as he wants to after that. There is no limit to how many times a player can pivot.
I’ll concede the repositioning of the pivot foot, but that’s not what causes the uproar. If it was, everyone would be equally upset by what happens at the top of they when he gets the bal!
December 9, 2025 at 7:23 PM
I’ll concede the repositioning of the pivot foot, but that’s not what causes the uproar. If it was, everyone would be equally upset by what happens at the top of they when he gets the bal!
December 9, 2025 at 7:23 PM
Even with NBA/FIBA gathering step/zero step rule, traveling still comes down to when the pivot foot is established.
December 9, 2025 at 7:16 PM
Even with NBA/FIBA gathering step/zero step rule, traveling still comes down to when the pivot foot is established.
There is another thread that captures the whole sequence in screenshots. He completes the gather in the air, making gather step left foot down. I don’t necessarily like the rule and if you want to object to the rule, fine, but I don‘t see how else to interpret it.
December 9, 2025 at 7:16 PM
There is another thread that captures the whole sequence in screenshots. He completes the gather in the air, making gather step left foot down. I don’t necessarily like the rule and if you want to object to the rule, fine, but I don‘t see how else to interpret it.
Right foot is pivot foot, steps to the left with his left (right still pivot foo), then steps through back to the right with his left (right foot still pivot foot, though he repositions it, but that isn’t the objection or otherwise people would notice the travel at the top of key before dribblin)
December 9, 2025 at 6:50 PM
Right foot is pivot foot, steps to the left with his left (right still pivot foo), then steps through back to the right with his left (right foot still pivot foot, though he repositions it, but that isn’t the objection or otherwise people would notice the travel at the top of key before dribblin)
I think he is in the process of gathering here and left foot down is zero step. Next step is right foot that establishes right foot as pivot foot. He can then step as many times as he wants with his left.
I don’t like the rule, but that’s how I think it is interpreted shrug.
I don’t like the rule, but that’s how I think it is interpreted shrug.
December 9, 2025 at 6:25 PM
I think he is in the process of gathering here and left foot down is zero step. Next step is right foot that establishes right foot as pivot foot. He can then step as many times as he wants with his left.
I don’t like the rule, but that’s how I think it is interpreted shrug.
I don’t like the rule, but that’s how I think it is interpreted shrug.
If you want to say that the travel is on the repositioning of the pivot foot on the step through, then that’s fine. But that is not what people are objecting to or what makes it seem like an egregious travel. That repositioning doesn’t stand out in real time.
When do you think pivot foot is est.?
When do you think pivot foot is est.?
December 9, 2025 at 6:13 PM
If you want to say that the travel is on the repositioning of the pivot foot on the step through, then that’s fine. But that is not what people are objecting to or what makes it seem like an egregious travel. That repositioning doesn’t stand out in real time.
When do you think pivot foot is est.?
When do you think pivot foot is est.?
A step is not a changing of the pivot foot because you aren’t allowed to change your pivot foot!
December 9, 2025 at 6:00 PM
A step is not a changing of the pivot foot because you aren’t allowed to change your pivot foot!
Nobody has commented on the footwork at the top of the key immediately after he receives the ball! To my mind, that repositioning and lifting the pivot foot before he starts the dribble is more egregious in real speed than the repositioning over at the wing on the step through.
December 9, 2025 at 5:39 PM
Nobody has commented on the footwork at the top of the key immediately after he receives the ball! To my mind, that repositioning and lifting the pivot foot before he starts the dribble is more egregious in real speed than the repositioning over at the wing on the step through.
For instance, I think he repositions pivot foot before and appears to travel before he gets the dribble down after receiving the pass at the top of the key, but no one comments or objects to that.
December 9, 2025 at 5:29 PM
For instance, I think he repositions pivot foot before and appears to travel before he gets the dribble down after receiving the pass at the top of the key, but no one comments or objects to that.
There are many more egregious repositioning of the pivot foot travels in every level of b-ball every night, especially at a frame-by-frame level.
I’ll grant that Allen repositions the pivot foot on the step through, but it does not stand out in real time and it is not what people objecting to.
I’ll grant that Allen repositions the pivot foot on the step through, but it does not stand out in real time and it is not what people objecting to.
December 9, 2025 at 5:25 PM
There are many more egregious repositioning of the pivot foot travels in every level of b-ball every night, especially at a frame-by-frame level.
I’ll grant that Allen repositions the pivot foot on the step through, but it does not stand out in real time and it is not what people objecting to.
I’ll grant that Allen repositions the pivot foot on the step through, but it does not stand out in real time and it is not what people objecting to.
(There are many, many more egregious repositioning of the pivot foot travels in every level of basketball every night, especially at a frame-by-frame level of detail. In real speed, the Allen repositioning on the step through is not egregious and is not the thing that draws the reaction.)
December 9, 2025 at 5:20 PM
(There are many, many more egregious repositioning of the pivot foot travels in every level of basketball every night, especially at a frame-by-frame level of detail. In real speed, the Allen repositioning on the step through is not egregious and is not the thing that draws the reaction.)
I’ll grant the minor drag, but people aren’t objecting to the minor drag on the step through.
Ultimately traveling doesn’t come down to “steps”, it comes down to the pivot foot. So where in the Allen sequence do you think the pivot foot is established?
Ultimately traveling doesn’t come down to “steps”, it comes down to the pivot foot. So where in the Allen sequence do you think the pivot foot is established?
December 9, 2025 at 5:20 PM
I’ll grant the minor drag, but people aren’t objecting to the minor drag on the step through.
Ultimately traveling doesn’t come down to “steps”, it comes down to the pivot foot. So where in the Allen sequence do you think the pivot foot is established?
Ultimately traveling doesn’t come down to “steps”, it comes down to the pivot foot. So where in the Allen sequence do you think the pivot foot is established?
That’s not what people are objecting to in that move or when they lament travrling.
December 9, 2025 at 3:07 PM
That’s not what people are objecting to in that move or when they lament travrling.
That’s actually how the zero-step/gather step came about. It was written into the rules to try to capture how traveling was officiated. People always wanted traveling to be “you get two steps,” but that was never the rule. The rule was always “you get a pivot foot.”
December 9, 2025 at 2:22 PM
That’s actually how the zero-step/gather step came about. It was written into the rules to try to capture how traveling was officiated. People always wanted traveling to be “you get two steps,” but that was never the rule. The rule was always “you get a pivot foot.”
The step through has always been legal. Slow walk yourself through Kareem’s skyhook . . . He uses a step through to get that shot off!
December 9, 2025 at 2:19 PM
The step through has always been legal. Slow walk yourself through Kareem’s skyhook . . . He uses a step through to get that shot off!
The problem with the traveling discussions is that everyone wants the traveling rule to be basketball’s version of Potter Stewart’s pornography—“I know it when I see it.“
December 9, 2025 at 1:49 PM
The problem with the traveling discussions is that everyone wants the traveling rule to be basketball’s version of Potter Stewart’s pornography—“I know it when I see it.“
It‘s a college rulebook/definition travel. It’s a high school rulebook/definition travel. And I am not even in favor of the gather/zero step NBA/FIBA rule, but by the rule I don’t think that’s a travel. I don’t like the rule, but nobody can point to a spot where that move is a travel by the book.
December 9, 2025 at 1:44 PM
It‘s a college rulebook/definition travel. It’s a high school rulebook/definition travel. And I am not even in favor of the gather/zero step NBA/FIBA rule, but by the rule I don’t think that’s a travel. I don’t like the rule, but nobody can point to a spot where that move is a travel by the book.
Do you think it is the gather step there that makes people think it’s a travel, or is it the step through? People try to equate lifting the pivot foot with changing the pivot foot, but don’t understand the nature of what it means to pivot.
December 9, 2025 at 3:33 AM
Do you think it is the gather step there that makes people think it’s a travel, or is it the step through? People try to equate lifting the pivot foot with changing the pivot foot, but don’t understand the nature of what it means to pivot.
Gather step/zero step is left foot down, then the next step establishes right foot as pivot foot, then two pivots with left. It looks egregious, but technically legal. 🤷♂️
December 9, 2025 at 2:48 AM
Gather step/zero step is left foot down, then the next step establishes right foot as pivot foot, then two pivots with left. It looks egregious, but technically legal. 🤷♂️
“Good time, bad times”. . . Best Track 1, Side 1, Album 1? What an opener for a band!
November 27, 2025 at 1:29 AM
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Scott letting data get in the way of a good story!
November 21, 2025 at 7:40 PM
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Two weeks left? Three? I’d be shocked if Summers was the one doing the grading, anyway.
November 20, 2025 at 3:03 AM
Two weeks left? Three? I’d be shocked if Summers was the one doing the grading, anyway.