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My take: Using Berger & Luckmann we can helpfully synthesize poli sci results on affect polarization + partisan media/internet/social-media.
also, i tend to talk too much re folks like Voegelin & Ricoeur
or, notes to self from another planet
also, i tend to talk too much re folks like Voegelin & Ricoeur
or, notes to self from another planet
(small tangent on commensurability. V's stress is in synch w a variety of other kinds of thinkers on this. let me pull from a handy doc to lay some of this out. in other words, i have trouble w the concept of a truly alien intelligence.)
November 19, 2025 at 8:08 PM
(small tangent on commensurability. V's stress is in synch w a variety of other kinds of thinkers on this. let me pull from a handy doc to lay some of this out. in other words, i have trouble w the concept of a truly alien intelligence.)
next Q, my favorite one. contemplation vs education vs action. this one cuts straight to some core elements in the whole complex i think. let me make it about V again. a celebrated quote from a letter to the literary critic R Heinlein. what does Bildung have to do w action? +
November 19, 2025 at 7:40 PM
next Q, my favorite one. contemplation vs education vs action. this one cuts straight to some core elements in the whole complex i think. let me make it about V again. a celebrated quote from a letter to the literary critic R Heinlein. what does Bildung have to do w action? +
2) Engel-Jánosi's The Growth of German Historicism. '44. for the fun of it, here is Voegelin's short review. not exactly in your frame chronologically, but might fit as genealogy. again, i imagine it didn't fit, but wanted to mention it. plus, Vs review is fun. (bonus: bits of V on Farber & Kelsen)
November 19, 2025 at 7:06 PM
2) Engel-Jánosi's The Growth of German Historicism. '44. for the fun of it, here is Voegelin's short review. not exactly in your frame chronologically, but might fit as genealogy. again, i imagine it didn't fit, but wanted to mention it. plus, Vs review is fun. (bonus: bits of V on Farber & Kelsen)
D&R locate MF by his resistance to exclude either side, as well as a secondary resistance to a Gadamerian resting in hermeneutics itself, a disposition he calls "commentary". for me, this gets to a groundless place incurring a challenge of making MFs "deciphering" reflexive. compare Jaspers' cipher!
November 17, 2025 at 2:53 PM
D&R locate MF by his resistance to exclude either side, as well as a secondary resistance to a Gadamerian resting in hermeneutics itself, a disposition he calls "commentary". for me, this gets to a groundless place incurring a challenge of making MFs "deciphering" reflexive. compare Jaspers' cipher!
in a nutshell, and using my terms from above, what can we do w Shelby if the current duress indicating inherited oppression is no longer shared w sufficiently acute feeling? it is at this point that my goofy spectrum intersect the Azaria thread. let me quote RS. this shakes up JAs "driver" too.
November 17, 2025 at 12:12 AM
in a nutshell, and using my terms from above, what can we do w Shelby if the current duress indicating inherited oppression is no longer shared w sufficiently acute feeling? it is at this point that my goofy spectrum intersect the Azaria thread. let me quote RS. this shakes up JAs "driver" too.
i have heard anecdotes that fit, but that doesn't get one very far. but the narrow topic did come up in the odd affair re J Sweet and the AHA in an Atlantic piece by Frum citing Ngũgĩ.
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...
November 16, 2025 at 9:57 PM
i have heard anecdotes that fit, but that doesn't get one very far. but the narrow topic did come up in the odd affair re J Sweet and the AHA in an Atlantic piece by Frum citing Ngũgĩ.
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...
ps, a nugget from Skinner on V.
(this is from a 2016 APSA paper by J Bowman entitled "Ideologies and Symbols: A Voegelinian Critique of Quentin Skinner's Approach to the History of Political Thought" ... hard for me to recall this paper in any detail, but seemed a little thin.)
(this is from a 2016 APSA paper by J Bowman entitled "Ideologies and Symbols: A Voegelinian Critique of Quentin Skinner's Approach to the History of Political Thought" ... hard for me to recall this paper in any detail, but seemed a little thin.)
November 14, 2025 at 5:44 PM
ps, a nugget from Skinner on V.
(this is from a 2016 APSA paper by J Bowman entitled "Ideologies and Symbols: A Voegelinian Critique of Quentin Skinner's Approach to the History of Political Thought" ... hard for me to recall this paper in any detail, but seemed a little thin.)
(this is from a 2016 APSA paper by J Bowman entitled "Ideologies and Symbols: A Voegelinian Critique of Quentin Skinner's Approach to the History of Political Thought" ... hard for me to recall this paper in any detail, but seemed a little thin.)
and last bit, making it all about V, as usual. w a little on D Walsh.
November 14, 2025 at 5:35 PM
and last bit, making it all about V, as usual. w a little on D Walsh.
dialing it back: idk much anyway. but then, i'm not the only one saying such things. whatabout the great Sir Keith Thomas?
then the real fun begins -- let's get to Voegelin already.
then the real fun begins -- let's get to Voegelin already.
November 14, 2025 at 5:32 PM
dialing it back: idk much anyway. but then, i'm not the only one saying such things. whatabout the great Sir Keith Thomas?
then the real fun begins -- let's get to Voegelin already.
then the real fun begins -- let's get to Voegelin already.
then more Schutz defense. this is the fiercest point wrt Skinner's contributions. it would be silly to erase those, even in the confines of my teapot. (and obviously delusional to imagine a wider scope of erasure.) maybe i do get a little silly here. next section tries to dial it back a bit.
November 14, 2025 at 5:29 PM
then more Schutz defense. this is the fiercest point wrt Skinner's contributions. it would be silly to erase those, even in the confines of my teapot. (and obviously delusional to imagine a wider scope of erasure.) maybe i do get a little silly here. next section tries to dial it back a bit.
next, i really lean in on a beef about Schutz. well, dammit, i love Schutz. a tempest in a teapot? but it's my teapot i guess. (lol at "i have not read Bernstein's book." that's strictly beyond the teapot!)
November 14, 2025 at 5:26 PM
next, i really lean in on a beef about Schutz. well, dammit, i love Schutz. a tempest in a teapot? but it's my teapot i guess. (lol at "i have not read Bernstein's book." that's strictly beyond the teapot!)
then getting in to some petty complaints about QS doing petty complaints. in this case the topic is the great Cleanth Brooks.
November 14, 2025 at 5:22 PM
then getting in to some petty complaints about QS doing petty complaints. in this case the topic is the great Cleanth Brooks.
NB no one asked for this. but here it is. lightly edited to remove some stuff topical to the correspondence we can safely ignore.
here we go. first bit is a sort of general orientation.
here we go. first bit is a sort of general orientation.
November 14, 2025 at 5:19 PM
NB no one asked for this. but here it is. lightly edited to remove some stuff topical to the correspondence we can safely ignore.
here we go. first bit is a sort of general orientation.
here we go. first bit is a sort of general orientation.
on to bk number 4!
but first, a final note on Netz's concept of deuteronomic culture. check out this bit from Y Pines on Chunqiu into Zhanguo.
but first, a final note on Netz's concept of deuteronomic culture. check out this bit from Y Pines on Chunqiu into Zhanguo.
November 14, 2025 at 4:54 PM
on to bk number 4!
but first, a final note on Netz's concept of deuteronomic culture. check out this bit from Y Pines on Chunqiu into Zhanguo.
but first, a final note on Netz's concept of deuteronomic culture. check out this bit from Y Pines on Chunqiu into Zhanguo.
adventures in proto-pre-post-liberalism???
November 13, 2025 at 6:01 PM
adventures in proto-pre-post-liberalism???
and, turning the page, here Eco moves quickly from Dionysius to Aquinas and from symbol to participation. but that is ofc a move back to Plato too, and so to an originally open symbol. the issue is whether Aquinas' "calculus" is allowed to be open or not. well, the man *gave up* on his system!
November 12, 2025 at 7:21 PM
and, turning the page, here Eco moves quickly from Dionysius to Aquinas and from symbol to participation. but that is ofc a move back to Plato too, and so to an originally open symbol. the issue is whether Aquinas' "calculus" is allowed to be open or not. well, the man *gave up* on his system!
let's see the next few pages from Eco
here he motivates the "open" sense of 'symbol' etymologically before contrasting w allegory and then moving into negative theology as the classic site for open symbols.
here he motivates the "open" sense of 'symbol' etymologically before contrasting w allegory and then moving into negative theology as the classic site for open symbols.
November 12, 2025 at 7:18 PM
let's see the next few pages from Eco
here he motivates the "open" sense of 'symbol' etymologically before contrasting w allegory and then moving into negative theology as the classic site for open symbols.
here he motivates the "open" sense of 'symbol' etymologically before contrasting w allegory and then moving into negative theology as the classic site for open symbols.
since i am on a roll (ha!) let me keep going.
some might say all my exceptions are only peripheral esoterica. but this is not accurate.
look at this fine opening bit from Eco. this used to be standard stuff.
some might say all my exceptions are only peripheral esoterica. but this is not accurate.
look at this fine opening bit from Eco. this used to be standard stuff.
November 12, 2025 at 7:05 PM
since i am on a roll (ha!) let me keep going.
some might say all my exceptions are only peripheral esoterica. but this is not accurate.
look at this fine opening bit from Eco. this used to be standard stuff.
some might say all my exceptions are only peripheral esoterica. but this is not accurate.
look at this fine opening bit from Eco. this used to be standard stuff.
what the heck, a little Wed morning Voegelin.
V pushes Q & A from propositional stasis back into vital dynamics. an answer w potential to renew a question? yes, this is a thing and why we have 'apophatic' to begin with. doctrine, like rolling downhill, is unavoidable, at times useful & derivative.
V pushes Q & A from propositional stasis back into vital dynamics. an answer w potential to renew a question? yes, this is a thing and why we have 'apophatic' to begin with. doctrine, like rolling downhill, is unavoidable, at times useful & derivative.
November 12, 2025 at 4:57 PM
what the heck, a little Wed morning Voegelin.
V pushes Q & A from propositional stasis back into vital dynamics. an answer w potential to renew a question? yes, this is a thing and why we have 'apophatic' to begin with. doctrine, like rolling downhill, is unavoidable, at times useful & derivative.
V pushes Q & A from propositional stasis back into vital dynamics. an answer w potential to renew a question? yes, this is a thing and why we have 'apophatic' to begin with. doctrine, like rolling downhill, is unavoidable, at times useful & derivative.
Graham's classic Disputers offers a variation, here in the form of Hall & Ames
it reminds me of analytic phil's late turn to Hegel. suddenly there is a sociality of reason. how could this not happen, eventually?
but also Hobbes' attacks on all those damned schoolmen w/ all their silly hocus-pocus.
it reminds me of analytic phil's late turn to Hegel. suddenly there is a sociality of reason. how could this not happen, eventually?
but also Hobbes' attacks on all those damned schoolmen w/ all their silly hocus-pocus.
November 12, 2025 at 3:33 PM
Graham's classic Disputers offers a variation, here in the form of Hall & Ames
it reminds me of analytic phil's late turn to Hegel. suddenly there is a sociality of reason. how could this not happen, eventually?
but also Hobbes' attacks on all those damned schoolmen w/ all their silly hocus-pocus.
it reminds me of analytic phil's late turn to Hegel. suddenly there is a sociality of reason. how could this not happen, eventually?
but also Hobbes' attacks on all those damned schoolmen w/ all their silly hocus-pocus.
for the heck of it, here is Slingerland on the topic from his intro to the Hackett Analects
November 12, 2025 at 1:45 AM
for the heck of it, here is Slingerland on the topic from his intro to the Hackett Analects
compare this bit from R Eno's introductory notes for his History G380 course
November 12, 2025 at 1:40 AM
compare this bit from R Eno's introductory notes for his History G380 course
speaking of P Goldin, he is cracking me up w this bit from The Art of Chinese Philosophy
November 12, 2025 at 1:39 AM
speaking of P Goldin, he is cracking me up w this bit from The Art of Chinese Philosophy
speaking of Hacking and the problem of adequacy...
an ancient episode in the struggles for verstehen...
or before (dark) woke, there was multiculturalism...
R Borofsky on Cook, Lono, Obeyesekere and Sahlins
Current Anthropology Volume 38, Number 2, April 1997
an ancient episode in the struggles for verstehen...
or before (dark) woke, there was multiculturalism...
R Borofsky on Cook, Lono, Obeyesekere and Sahlins
Current Anthropology Volume 38, Number 2, April 1997
November 7, 2025 at 9:48 PM
speaking of Hacking and the problem of adequacy...
an ancient episode in the struggles for verstehen...
or before (dark) woke, there was multiculturalism...
R Borofsky on Cook, Lono, Obeyesekere and Sahlins
Current Anthropology Volume 38, Number 2, April 1997
an ancient episode in the struggles for verstehen...
or before (dark) woke, there was multiculturalism...
R Borofsky on Cook, Lono, Obeyesekere and Sahlins
Current Anthropology Volume 38, Number 2, April 1997
and open source. here is the abstract. Schutz 4 ever! (ha!)
(i am not so familiar w, say, Habermas and probably resist a lot on general antipathy to "rationalisms", but i really do want to read his big new trilogy on big history.)
(i am not so familiar w, say, Habermas and probably resist a lot on general antipathy to "rationalisms", but i really do want to read his big new trilogy on big history.)
November 7, 2025 at 7:15 PM
and open source. here is the abstract. Schutz 4 ever! (ha!)
(i am not so familiar w, say, Habermas and probably resist a lot on general antipathy to "rationalisms", but i really do want to read his big new trilogy on big history.)
(i am not so familiar w, say, Habermas and probably resist a lot on general antipathy to "rationalisms", but i really do want to read his big new trilogy on big history.)