okay but as someone who grew up there, LAX *is* evidence that LA is culturally decadent (/s)

collecting pilot data for five years

results so far: they like neither A nor B. very interesting... running more tests...

i sorta like modularity, and don't particularly like the sort of relativism i think he has in mind, but i think moving from one to the other is a non sequitur

it's a fun passage, but it's quite mystifying to me why fodor thought that the denial of modularity implied relativism (...and of what sort?), or that modularity implied the denial of relativism. i've only ever been able to make sense of it sociologically

before you ask, yes, this is from fodor's precis of the modularity of mind

media.pluto.psy.uconn.edu/Fodor%20modu...

why are you yelling at me

(e.g. an oxford comma included in a list of things the speaker would never do which includes using the oxford comma). but punctuating spoken quotations strikes me as more art than science, i suppose, so i'm not optimistic about regimenting conventions in those cases

since you asked, i don't immediately find your proposal that we impose our own punctuation conventions attractive (and definitely don't see why that would be important), and think it would lead to silly places

i don't have any particular view about how to punctuate spoken quotations across people who disagree about punctuation conventions, but i have to say, that seems like a totally different issue from whether or not to include the writer's punctuation inside of quotation marks

but i don't think i would think the punctuation was important because it's not even accurate, in my view. i can imagine winding up there in some avant garde literary context, i guess, but then all bets are off anyway

what i would actually do (unless there was some reason i thought the punctuation was important) is write the quote without punctuation and then append my own period after the quotation marks, but you're asking about a particular case

i mean lots of people abide by the punctuation inside convention so it's not misleading in any psychologically significant sense, but i would only write that if he said it as a full sentence, yes. (and then i would include my own period outside of the quotation marks)

if i'm understanding the case, i would not agree that it's correct to put the period inside the quotation marks. that's the end of my sentence, not a part of what i am quoting, so it belongs outside. so i don't find your argument to go through for me. it seems question-begging, if i'm understanding

I guess I think the more charitable reading is that RG intended an implicit domain restriction to the controversial cases, because otherwise the claim is apparently that *all* punctuation should go inside quotation marks, which is something nobody believes

Right, punctuation that is being quoted goes inside, and punctuation that is not being quoted goes outside. That’s my view

i tend to be pretty permissive about punctuation outside of very formal contexts, but if you are going to choose to be pedantic, i think being pedantic in service of a punctuation convention that makes precise expression more difficult is an odd choice. you're undercutting your own pedantry!