Mark Noble
@mmn.bsky.social
Computer Engineer and Civil Libertarian. Technological preenactor. Hurler of insights. 2011's #2 Libertarian by vote totals nationwide. Agorism is probably "the way".
I rode the bus for many years and often joined in on public conversations. I see it all the time. Seems like one of the key points of going out in public used to be to have engaging conversations with strangers.
April 25, 2023 at 9:28 PM
I rode the bus for many years and often joined in on public conversations. I see it all the time. Seems like one of the key points of going out in public used to be to have engaging conversations with strangers.
Agreed, which is why my OP said I felt muting/ignoring is sufficient. (Some apps call it muting a person, others call it ignoring. Same basic idea - I'd call it "Ostracize" FWIW.)
April 25, 2023 at 9:25 PM
Agreed, which is why my OP said I felt muting/ignoring is sufficient. (Some apps call it muting a person, others call it ignoring. Same basic idea - I'd call it "Ostracize" FWIW.)
You might need the https://web.hypothes.is/ browser extension to view it - put simply it allows anyone to highlight and annotate anything on the web - even if "Comments are disabled". It's just one highly streamlined and collaborative example though.
April 25, 2023 at 9:23 PM
You might need the https://web.hypothes.is/ browser extension to view it - put simply it allows anyone to highlight and annotate anything on the web - even if "Comments are disabled". It's just one highly streamlined and collaborative example though.
I remember when they called "obnoxious reply guys" "Letters to the Editor". Sometimes they posted to inform, other times to refute, and other times stand alone to let people make fools of themselves. 📰
April 25, 2023 at 9:15 PM
I remember when they called "obnoxious reply guys" "Letters to the Editor". Sometimes they posted to inform, other times to refute, and other times stand alone to let people make fools of themselves. 📰
Respectfully disagreeing would involve formulating a coherent counter-argument instead of putting forward baseless assertions.
April 25, 2023 at 9:10 PM
Respectfully disagreeing would involve formulating a coherent counter-argument instead of putting forward baseless assertions.
I once knew a guy who disagreed with me and repeated the things he disagreed with to all of his co-workers. Turns out, his co-workers disagreed with him, so he was simply serving as a megaphone for my ideas and gaining me friends. Trump and AOC both do this to different audiences. Works well.
April 25, 2023 at 9:09 PM
I once knew a guy who disagreed with me and repeated the things he disagreed with to all of his co-workers. Turns out, his co-workers disagreed with him, so he was simply serving as a megaphone for my ideas and gaining me friends. Trump and AOC both do this to different audiences. Works well.
Doesn't muting achieve the same thing, with the added benefit of them not knowing? Blocking notifies the person so they can bypass with alt accounts or in-private browsing.
April 25, 2023 at 9:06 PM
Doesn't muting achieve the same thing, with the added benefit of them not knowing? Blocking notifies the person so they can bypass with alt accounts or in-private browsing.
Some people don't understand a straw-man when they see one.
April 25, 2023 at 9:04 PM
Some people don't understand a straw-man when they see one.
This is why people scream into their pillow.
April 25, 2023 at 9:03 PM
This is why people scream into their pillow.
How do you imagine you can stop someone from talking about you outside of Bluesky? For example, how do you propose preventing me from talking about this post at the dinner table with my family?
April 25, 2023 at 9:02 PM
How do you imagine you can stop someone from talking about you outside of Bluesky? For example, how do you propose preventing me from talking about this post at the dinner table with my family?
How do you propose preventing me from talking about you to anyone I wish in any venue I wish? How do you envision that working exactly?
April 25, 2023 at 9:00 PM
How do you propose preventing me from talking about you to anyone I wish in any venue I wish? How do you envision that working exactly?
You're describing muting, except with muting you don't need to go anywhere. Blocking prevents the other person from seeing hearing you directly, and is worse than muting because it's detectable by the target. It's also easy to circumvent.
April 25, 2023 at 8:55 PM
You're describing muting, except with muting you don't need to go anywhere. Blocking prevents the other person from seeing hearing you directly, and is worse than muting because it's detectable by the target. It's also easy to circumvent.
Blocking is pretend and can be defeated with alt accounts and in-private browsing. Especially as in the content of public speech.
April 25, 2023 at 8:48 PM
Blocking is pretend and can be defeated with alt accounts and in-private browsing. Especially as in the content of public speech.
If a journalist posts their news articles, then blocks a person from seeing those posts, they are making it harder for the blocked person to be exposed to their position. Maybe you misread my OP.
April 25, 2023 at 8:46 PM
If a journalist posts their news articles, then blocks a person from seeing those posts, they are making it harder for the blocked person to be exposed to their position. Maybe you misread my OP.
How do journalists block stalkers from reading their newspapers? 🤔
April 25, 2023 at 8:42 PM
How do journalists block stalkers from reading their newspapers? 🤔
Not what I said at all, but I guess straw-men are all you got. 🤷♂️
April 25, 2023 at 8:41 PM
Not what I said at all, but I guess straw-men are all you got. 🤷♂️
It creates the illusion of friction and barriers. The only thing worse than ineffective solutions are pretend solutions. On Twitter for example, I see content from people who have blocked me when others comment and re-tweet them. Can also simply view the post while logged out.
April 25, 2023 at 8:40 PM
It creates the illusion of friction and barriers. The only thing worse than ineffective solutions are pretend solutions. On Twitter for example, I see content from people who have blocked me when others comment and re-tweet them. Can also simply view the post while logged out.
It's not just "online", it's in public. If you don't value people hearing your POV more than the peace of mind of controlling who responds, then what's the point of public speech?
April 25, 2023 at 8:36 PM
It's not just "online", it's in public. If you don't value people hearing your POV more than the peace of mind of controlling who responds, then what's the point of public speech?
Easy. Muting ignores the speech of others. True blocking cannot be achieved on public speech. It also seeks to carve out a space where the other person is censored, but fails because all someone has to do is get a screenshot from an in-private window and discuss elsewhere. Happens all the time. 🤷♂️
April 25, 2023 at 8:32 PM
Easy. Muting ignores the speech of others. True blocking cannot be achieved on public speech. It also seeks to carve out a space where the other person is censored, but fails because all someone has to do is get a screenshot from an in-private window and discuss elsewhere. Happens all the time. 🤷♂️
One cannot say something in public and control who responds. Features like blocking might allow a simpleton to have that illusion, but there is no limit to the number of mediums that can be used to comment on something said in public. 🤷♂️
April 25, 2023 at 8:25 PM
One cannot say something in public and control who responds. Features like blocking might allow a simpleton to have that illusion, but there is no limit to the number of mediums that can be used to comment on something said in public. 🤷♂️
Your response doesn't refute or make a counter-argument though, and for context I was using the example of journalists. Self-censorship via blocking is the opposite of "broadcast" and "public speech".
April 25, 2023 at 8:21 PM
Your response doesn't refute or make a counter-argument though, and for context I was using the example of journalists. Self-censorship via blocking is the opposite of "broadcast" and "public speech".
There is no one so cruel they can't benefit by hearing what I have to say. 🤷♂️
April 25, 2023 at 8:19 PM
There is no one so cruel they can't benefit by hearing what I have to say. 🤷♂️