Deitschi Maus
@meisli.bsky.social
Avid fan of all things Pa Dutch.
Halt aa Deitsch schwetze!
Trying to post more stuff about and in Pa Dutch so people can actually find it (hopefully)
Halt aa Deitsch schwetze!
Trying to post more stuff about and in Pa Dutch so people can actually find it (hopefully)
it also ends up getting used to mean socialist in general, or left leaning even more generally, by those who are neither
February 15, 2025 at 12:05 AM
it also ends up getting used to mean socialist in general, or left leaning even more generally, by those who are neither
yeh that's the fun thing about folk magic, is that not too too long ago everybody had a little bit pretty much. What I've been trying to do myself is more seasonal stuff, like St. Gertrude's Datsch and whatnot
January 20, 2025 at 9:07 AM
yeh that's the fun thing about folk magic, is that not too too long ago everybody had a little bit pretty much. What I've been trying to do myself is more seasonal stuff, like St. Gertrude's Datsch and whatnot
I would love to travel around that area sometime. I've actually known a fair number of people here in the States who've lived there for a while, due to the base
October 30, 2024 at 5:55 AM
I would love to travel around that area sometime. I've actually known a fair number of people here in the States who've lived there for a while, due to the base
to use mei again, it'd be: meiner/meim for the masculine, meini/meinre for the feminine, meins/meim for the neuter (here we have a deviation), and meini/meine for the plural (and another deviation)
And remember these are pronominal sense i.e. not 'my' but 'mine' that kinda thing
And remember these are pronominal sense i.e. not 'my' but 'mine' that kinda thing
October 2, 2024 at 10:16 AM
to use mei again, it'd be: meiner/meim for the masculine, meini/meinre for the feminine, meins/meim for the neuter (here we have a deviation), and meini/meine for the plural (and another deviation)
And remember these are pronominal sense i.e. not 'my' but 'mine' that kinda thing
And remember these are pronominal sense i.e. not 'my' but 'mine' that kinda thing
Pattern also changes when the determiner is used pronominally
To demonstrate: sell Buch datt iss meins
That book there is mine
wem sei Kinner sinn des? Die sinn meine
Whose children are these? They're mine
(there may be a more idiomatic way of expressing that question)
To demonstrate: sell Buch datt iss meins
That book there is mine
wem sei Kinner sinn des? Die sinn meine
Whose children are these? They're mine
(there may be a more idiomatic way of expressing that question)
October 2, 2024 at 10:14 AM
Pattern also changes when the determiner is used pronominally
To demonstrate: sell Buch datt iss meins
That book there is mine
wem sei Kinner sinn des? Die sinn meine
Whose children are these? They're mine
(there may be a more idiomatic way of expressing that question)
To demonstrate: sell Buch datt iss meins
That book there is mine
wem sei Kinner sinn des? Die sinn meine
Whose children are these? They're mine
(there may be a more idiomatic way of expressing that question)
This pattern holds true for mei, dei, and sei (my, your, his/its), but doesn't for ihre (her/their/its), unser (our), and eier (you guy's/y'all's)
October 2, 2024 at 10:05 AM
This pattern holds true for mei, dei, and sei (my, your, his/its), but doesn't for ihre (her/their/its), unser (our), and eier (you guy's/y'all's)
The plurals would be meine and meinen for German, with mei and meine being the Pa Dutch
October 2, 2024 at 9:58 AM
The plurals would be meine and meinen for German, with mei and meine being the Pa Dutch
Meanwhile in Pa Dutch the same would be: mei, meim for the masculine; mei, meinre for the feminine; and mei, mei for the neuter common case (accusative was replaced by nominative) and dative respectively
October 2, 2024 at 9:58 AM
Meanwhile in Pa Dutch the same would be: mei, meim for the masculine; mei, meinre for the feminine; and mei, mei for the neuter common case (accusative was replaced by nominative) and dative respectively
Future use is like it is in modern German, it's not used as often as it is in English and rather is used when you want to specifically mention that 'intending to' sense. Though from what I've read, plain Dutch speakers tend to use it more often, same with the progressive, could be English influence
September 19, 2024 at 7:58 AM
Future use is like it is in modern German, it's not used as often as it is in English and rather is used when you want to specifically mention that 'intending to' sense. Though from what I've read, plain Dutch speakers tend to use it more often, same with the progressive, could be English influence
ich warr der Hund am Nausfiehre sei, how I'd say it
ich zaehl/figger der Hund en Nausfiehre sei, how they might say it.
I will be walking the dog
Don't actually know how to say "walk (the dog)" but nausfiehre seemed close enough, dictionary has it as 'lead out'
ich zaehl/figger der Hund en Nausfiehre sei, how they might say it.
I will be walking the dog
Don't actually know how to say "walk (the dog)" but nausfiehre seemed close enough, dictionary has it as 'lead out'
September 19, 2024 at 7:56 AM
ich warr der Hund am Nausfiehre sei, how I'd say it
ich zaehl/figger der Hund en Nausfiehre sei, how they might say it.
I will be walking the dog
Don't actually know how to say "walk (the dog)" but nausfiehre seemed close enough, dictionary has it as 'lead out'
ich zaehl/figger der Hund en Nausfiehre sei, how they might say it.
I will be walking the dog
Don't actually know how to say "walk (the dog)" but nausfiehre seemed close enough, dictionary has it as 'lead out'
figgere is an English loan, to figure (specifically a dialectal form pronounced without the y sound in 'ure')
zaehle is literally to count, but both are coming about due to idioms originally existing in English; something like "I count on doing that" > "I will do that" etc.
zaehle is literally to count, but both are coming about due to idioms originally existing in English; something like "I count on doing that" > "I will do that" etc.
September 19, 2024 at 7:46 AM
figgere is an English loan, to figure (specifically a dialectal form pronounced without the y sound in 'ure')
zaehle is literally to count, but both are coming about due to idioms originally existing in English; something like "I count on doing that" > "I will do that" etc.
zaehle is literally to count, but both are coming about due to idioms originally existing in English; something like "I count on doing that" > "I will do that" etc.
You can see this in grammar as well, and I'll have this be the last thing I say for this bit, with for example 'warre' the future auxiliary (German: werden) being either figgere among the midwestern Amish and zaehle among the Pennsylvania Amish
September 19, 2024 at 7:44 AM
You can see this in grammar as well, and I'll have this be the last thing I say for this bit, with for example 'warre' the future auxiliary (German: werden) being either figgere among the midwestern Amish and zaehle among the Pennsylvania Amish
You look to the older speakers, you avoid English loans where you can, you try to not speak English and instead speak Pa Dutch, and all that can lead to more conservative speech in the fancy Dutch compared to the plain.
September 19, 2024 at 7:43 AM
You look to the older speakers, you avoid English loans where you can, you try to not speak English and instead speak Pa Dutch, and all that can lead to more conservative speech in the fancy Dutch compared to the plain.
See for one thing most fluent native fancy Dutch speakers of Pa Dutch are significantly older, most younger speakers learnt it as a 2nd language
Since we don't look different from anybody else in the US, language is one of the things that can build and maintain a Pa Dutch identity
Since we don't look different from anybody else in the US, language is one of the things that can build and maintain a Pa Dutch identity
September 19, 2024 at 7:42 AM
See for one thing most fluent native fancy Dutch speakers of Pa Dutch are significantly older, most younger speakers learnt it as a 2nd language
Since we don't look different from anybody else in the US, language is one of the things that can build and maintain a Pa Dutch identity
Since we don't look different from anybody else in the US, language is one of the things that can build and maintain a Pa Dutch identity
See, if you're Amish, you're plain, does it really matter if your language has a lot of loans? You've got the clothes, the religion to distinguish you from the English, you don't need words per se.
For the fancy Dutch though there's an interesting situation
For the fancy Dutch though there's an interesting situation
September 19, 2024 at 7:39 AM
See, if you're Amish, you're plain, does it really matter if your language has a lot of loans? You've got the clothes, the religion to distinguish you from the English, you don't need words per se.
For the fancy Dutch though there's an interesting situation
For the fancy Dutch though there's an interesting situation
Ennichau, the majority being plain correlating with increased loans is pertinent because of Identity™️
September 19, 2024 at 7:37 AM
Ennichau, the majority being plain correlating with increased loans is pertinent because of Identity™️
Fun fact the word dunk is a loan from Pa Dutch into English. It's tunken in German though I think its use is regional
September 19, 2024 at 7:36 AM
Fun fact the word dunk is a loan from Pa Dutch into English. It's tunken in German though I think its use is regional
Historically many of the fancy Dutch, also called other names like church Dutch or (I love this one) gay Dutch, would be Lutheran or Reformed. My family converted to Methodism at some point but were probably Dunkards before I think (an anabaptist group sometimes called German Baptists)
September 19, 2024 at 7:35 AM
Historically many of the fancy Dutch, also called other names like church Dutch or (I love this one) gay Dutch, would be Lutheran or Reformed. My family converted to Methodism at some point but were probably Dunkards before I think (an anabaptist group sometimes called German Baptists)
Thus are they plain Dutch. Fancy Dutch on the other hand are the majority of the Pa Dutch and historically until the beginning of the 20th century, the majority of Pa Dutch speakers. Sadly for this branch of the Pa Dutch the language is dying out (for the plain Dutch it's rather growing)
September 19, 2024 at 7:33 AM
Thus are they plain Dutch. Fancy Dutch on the other hand are the majority of the Pa Dutch and historically until the beginning of the 20th century, the majority of Pa Dutch speakers. Sadly for this branch of the Pa Dutch the language is dying out (for the plain Dutch it's rather growing)
First an explanation of terms: plain here refers to plain living, plain dress, etc. a certain way of life practiced by certain religious groups like the Amish, most of whom fall under the umbrella of Pa Dutch (there are some who don't and speak Swiss/Alsatian dialects influenced by Pa Dutch)
September 19, 2024 at 7:32 AM
First an explanation of terms: plain here refers to plain living, plain dress, etc. a certain way of life practiced by certain religious groups like the Amish, most of whom fall under the umbrella of Pa Dutch (there are some who don't and speak Swiss/Alsatian dialects influenced by Pa Dutch)
Namely that most of the speakers of Pa Dutch today are plain folk, most notably the Amish but also other groups too. The plain Dutch tend to have more English loans than the fancy Dutch (yours truly). Why is complicated
September 19, 2024 at 7:30 AM
Namely that most of the speakers of Pa Dutch today are plain folk, most notably the Amish but also other groups too. The plain Dutch tend to have more English loans than the fancy Dutch (yours truly). Why is complicated
Higher percentages are going to be used for topics that historically involved a lot of influence from outside cultures, an interesting example I read/heard once involved tree tapping for syrup.
15 percent is what I've generally seen given as an average but that can have some caveats
15 percent is what I've generally seen given as an average but that can have some caveats
September 19, 2024 at 7:28 AM
Higher percentages are going to be used for topics that historically involved a lot of influence from outside cultures, an interesting example I read/heard once involved tree tapping for syrup.
15 percent is what I've generally seen given as an average but that can have some caveats
15 percent is what I've generally seen given as an average but that can have some caveats
interestingly of the 263 words of this poem, only 2 words are of English origin, that being reschpeckde (to respect) and pleen (plain), which I'd normally spell blaen.
Bout 0.7 percent English loanwords in this example (it can range up to 15 or even 30 percent depending on what's being talked about)
Bout 0.7 percent English loanwords in this example (it can range up to 15 or even 30 percent depending on what's being talked about)
September 19, 2024 at 7:27 AM
interestingly of the 263 words of this poem, only 2 words are of English origin, that being reschpeckde (to respect) and pleen (plain), which I'd normally spell blaen.
Bout 0.7 percent English loanwords in this example (it can range up to 15 or even 30 percent depending on what's being talked about)
Bout 0.7 percent English loanwords in this example (it can range up to 15 or even 30 percent depending on what's being talked about)