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Marc Veldhoen
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Professor of Immunology 🇳🇱 🇬🇧
Lisbon, 🇵🇹

#Immunology
Time for Science, not silence

https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=7vG1jLIAAAAJ&hl=en

https://orcid.org/0000-0002-1478-9562

threads.net/@marc_veld

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CovidDoom and antivax disinformation accounts thrive on fear. They claim science hides “the truth,” but offer no solid evidence of their own, only conjecture. By turning uncertainty into conspiracy, they erode trust in experts and data, making evidence itself seem suspicious.
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Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
Your “growing anger” seems to come from a simple place: belief first, evidence later, if ever.

SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t have supernatural properties. Every claimed “special feature” has been observed in countless other viruses, and the data consistently shows this.
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November 9, 2025 at 7:44 PM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
It doesn't, it isn't science, it is ideological cherry-picking. None of the claims made hold, none of the authors have required expertise or understanding, none of the reference substantiate the claims made. It us brodel work.

open.substack.com/pub/marcveld...
November 9, 2025 at 11:28 AM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
Entry, replication and innate immunity evasion of BANAL-236, a SARS-CoV-2-related bat virus, in Rhinolophus and human cells

BANAL-236, the only bat-derived SARS-CoV-2 relative isolated to date,

www.biorxiv.org/cont...
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Entry, replication and innate immunity evasion of BANAL-236, a SARS-CoV-2-related bat virus, in Rhinolophus and human cells
Asian Rhinolophus bats are considered the natural reservoirs of an ancestral SARS-CoV-2. However, the biology of SARS-CoV-2-related viruses in bat cells is not well understood. Here, we investigated the replication of BANAL-236, the only bat-derived SARS-CoV-2 relative isolated to date, in Rhinolophus cells. BANAL-236 did not replicate in wild-type Rhinolophus cell lines. Entry assays using pseudoviruses expressing the spike proteins (S) of SARS-CoV-2, BANAL-236, and BANAL-52 revealed that efficient S-mediated entry depends on the expression of human ACE2 (hACE2) and human TMPRSS2 (hTMPRSS2) in human and Rhinolophus cells. Expression of Rhinolophus entry factors, either alone or in combination, did not facilitate SARS-CoV-2 or BANAL-236 entry in human cells, suggesting that the S protein of BANAL-236 interacts more efficiently with hACE2 than with its Rhinolophus counterpart (rACE2). Through biochemical, virological, and electron microscopy analyses, we showed that BANAL-236 and SARS-CoV-2 completed their replication cycles in a Rhinolophus cell line engineered to express high levels of hACE2 and hTMPRSS2. Despite efficient viral replication in modified Rhinolophus and human cells, no induction of interferon (IFN)-stimulated genes was detected. Using a screening approach, we identified several BANAL-236 proteins that antagonize IFN production and signaling in human cells. Our findings thus show that BANAL-236 possesses critical features that enabled zoonotic spillover: hACE2 usage and potent evasion of human IFN responses. The Rhinolophus cellular model we established offers a platform for further investigating the interactions between bat coronaviruses and their reservoir hosts. Author summary Bats are known reservoirs for viruses that cause severe diseases in humans, such as coronaviruses and filoviruses. Bat species naturally or experimentally infected with these viruses rarely exhibit clinical symptoms, suggesting an evolved tolerance to viral infections. To elucidate the mechanisms underlying viral tolerance and to identify factors that could facilitate zoonotic spillover, it is essential to study the replication of bat-borne viruses in relevant bat cellular models. Here, we investigated the replication of BANAL-236, a SARS-CoV-2 related virus isolated from fecal samples of Rhinolophus bats in Northen Laos, in a novel cell line derived from Rhinolophus ferrumequinum lung fibroblasts. Our findings reveal that BANAL-236 can efficiently use human entry factors and potently evade the human innate immune response, two traits that may have contributed to its zoonotic transmission. Furthermore, the R. ferrumequinum cell lines we developed is a valuable model for investigating the molecular interactions between sarbecoviruses and their natural hosts. ### Competing Interest Statement The Krogan Laboratory has received research support from Vir Biotechnology, F. Hoffmann-La Roche, and Rezo Therapeutics. NJK has a financially compensated consulting agreement with Maze Therapeutics. NJK is the President and is on the Board of Directors of Rezo Therapeutics, and he is a shareholder in Tenaya Therapeutics, Maze Therapeutics, Rezo Therapeutics, and GEn1E Lifesciences.
www.biorxiv.org
November 10, 2025 at 11:07 PM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
Virus Genome Sequences in the Blood of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Patients

This is a pre-print and the findings will need further validation. Is the viral diversity less in ME/CFS patients, or do they get infected less?

www.medrxiv.org/cont...
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Virus Genome Sequences in the Blood of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Patients
Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) is a baffling disease. The disease has a wide spectrum of severity, to date has no established molecular marker, no known causation, and no cure. Many patients report in retrospect that they suffered a virus infection prior to suffering their first symptoms of ME/CFS. Therefore, we report a search for virus genome sequences in the cell-free blood of ME/CFS patients and healthy controls. We used a panel of molecular probes to assess the presence or absence of 185 diverse human viruses in each sample. We identified a total of seventeen viruses, with more in the healthy controls than in the ME/CFS patients. ### Competing Interest Statement The authors have declared no competing interest. ### Funding Statement These experiments were supported by NIH grant 4 P01 HG000205 to RWD. ### Author Declarations I confirm all relevant ethical guidelines have been followed, and any necessary IRB and/or ethics committee approvals have been obtained. Yes The details of the IRB/oversight body that provided approval or exemption for the research described are given below: The Stanford University IRB (Protocol 34830) gave ethical approval for this work. I confirm that all necessary patient/participant consent has been obtained and the appropriate institutional forms have been archived, and that any patient/participant/sample identifiers included were not known to anyone (e.g., hospital staff, patients or participants themselves) outside the research group so cannot be used to identify individuals. Yes I understand that all clinical trials and any other prospective interventional studies must be registered with an ICMJE-approved registry, such as ClinicalTrials.gov. I confirm that any such study reported in the manuscript has been registered and the trial registration ID is provided (note: if posting a prospective study registered retrospectively, please provide a statement in the trial ID field explaining why the study was not registered in advance). Yes I have followed all appropriate research reporting guidelines, such as any relevant EQUATOR Network research reporting checklist(s) and other pertinent material, if applicable. Yes All scripts, keyfiles, and data (starting with the collapsed fastq sequences at the end of step2) are available at https://github.com/k-roy/MOLECULAR _PROBES and archived with Zenodo at https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17429326. <https://github.com/k-roy/MOLECULAR_PROBES> <https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17429326>
www.medrxiv.org
November 10, 2025 at 11:11 AM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
Maternal paracetamol (acetaminophen) use during pregnancy and risk of autism spectrum disorder and attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder in offspring: umbrella review of systematic reviews

No increased risk for the gentic condition called autism

www.bmj.com/content/...
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Maternal paracetamol (acetaminophen) use during pregnancy and risk of autism spectrum disorder and attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder in offspring: umbrella review of systematic reviews
Objective To assess the quality, biases, and validity of evidence on maternal paracetamol (acetaminophen) use during pregnancy and the risk of autism spectrum disorder (referred to as autism) and attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in offspring. Design Umbrella review of systematic reviews. Data sources Medline, Embase, PsycINFO, and the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, along with grey literature, Epistemonikos, and the reference lists of included studies (inception to 30 September 2025). Inclusion criteria Systematic reviews of randomised trials and cohort, case-control, or cross sectional studies that reported maternal paracetamol use during pregnancy and the diagnosis of autism or ADHD in offspring. Details of the primary studies included in the reviews are reported, including adjustments for key confounders (maternal characteristics, indication for paracetamol use, and familial factors) and unmeasured confounders and ascertainment of outcomes. Results Nine reviews (40 studies) reporting on autism (six studies) and ADHD (17 studies) in offspring were included. Four reviews undertook meta-analysis. The overlap of primary studies included in the reviews was very high (corrected covered area 23%). The reviews reported a possible to strong association between maternal paracetamol intake and autism or ADHD or both in offspring. Seven of the nine reviews advised caution when interpreting the findings owing to the potential risk of bias and confounding in the included studies. Confidence in the findings of the reviews was low (two reviews) to critically low (seven reviews) based on the AMSTAR 2 (A MeaSurement Tool to Assess Systematic Reviews) criteria. Only one review included studies (n=2) reporting autism and ADHD in offspring that appropriately adjusted for familial factors and unmeasured confounding through sibling controlled analyses. In both studies, the increased risk of autism in offspring (one study, hazard ratio 1.05, 95% confidence interval 1.02 to 1.08) and ADHD (two studies, 1.07, 1.05 to 1.10 and 2.02, 1.17 to 3.25 ) observed in the whole cohort analyses did not persist in sibling controlled analyses for autism (0.98, 0.93 to 1.04) and ADHD (0.98, 0.94 to 1.02 and 1.06, 0.51 to 2.05). Conclusion Existing evidence does not clearly link maternal paracetamol use during pregnancy with autism or ADHD in offspring. Systematic review registration PROSPERO CRD420251154052. All data relevant to the study is included in the article or uploaded as supplementary information.
www.bmj.com
November 10, 2025 at 6:09 PM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
Rising Cognitive Disability as a Public Health Concern Among US Adults
Trends From the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, 2013–2023

Are COVID-19 vaccines or SARS-CoV-2 affecting cognitivee abilities?

www.neurology.org/do...
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Rising Cognitive Disability as a Public Health Concern Among US Adults | Neurology
Background and ObjectivesCognitive disability—defined by the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) as serious difficulty concentrating, remembering, or making decisions because of a physical, mental, or emotional condition—has become the most ...
www.neurology.org
November 10, 2025 at 9:30 PM
Entry, replication and innate immunity evasion of BANAL-236, a SARS-CoV-2-related bat virus, in Rhinolophus and human cells

BANAL-236, the only bat-derived SARS-CoV-2 relative isolated to date,

www.biorxiv.org/cont...
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Entry, replication and innate immunity evasion of BANAL-236, a SARS-CoV-2-related bat virus, in Rhinolophus and human cells
Asian Rhinolophus bats are considered the natural reservoirs of an ancestral SARS-CoV-2. However, the biology of SARS-CoV-2-related viruses in bat cells is not well understood. Here, we investigated the replication of BANAL-236, the only bat-derived SARS-CoV-2 relative isolated to date, in Rhinolophus cells. BANAL-236 did not replicate in wild-type Rhinolophus cell lines. Entry assays using pseudoviruses expressing the spike proteins (S) of SARS-CoV-2, BANAL-236, and BANAL-52 revealed that efficient S-mediated entry depends on the expression of human ACE2 (hACE2) and human TMPRSS2 (hTMPRSS2) in human and Rhinolophus cells. Expression of Rhinolophus entry factors, either alone or in combination, did not facilitate SARS-CoV-2 or BANAL-236 entry in human cells, suggesting that the S protein of BANAL-236 interacts more efficiently with hACE2 than with its Rhinolophus counterpart (rACE2). Through biochemical, virological, and electron microscopy analyses, we showed that BANAL-236 and SARS-CoV-2 completed their replication cycles in a Rhinolophus cell line engineered to express high levels of hACE2 and hTMPRSS2. Despite efficient viral replication in modified Rhinolophus and human cells, no induction of interferon (IFN)-stimulated genes was detected. Using a screening approach, we identified several BANAL-236 proteins that antagonize IFN production and signaling in human cells. Our findings thus show that BANAL-236 possesses critical features that enabled zoonotic spillover: hACE2 usage and potent evasion of human IFN responses. The Rhinolophus cellular model we established offers a platform for further investigating the interactions between bat coronaviruses and their reservoir hosts. Author summary Bats are known reservoirs for viruses that cause severe diseases in humans, such as coronaviruses and filoviruses. Bat species naturally or experimentally infected with these viruses rarely exhibit clinical symptoms, suggesting an evolved tolerance to viral infections. To elucidate the mechanisms underlying viral tolerance and to identify factors that could facilitate zoonotic spillover, it is essential to study the replication of bat-borne viruses in relevant bat cellular models. Here, we investigated the replication of BANAL-236, a SARS-CoV-2 related virus isolated from fecal samples of Rhinolophus bats in Northen Laos, in a novel cell line derived from Rhinolophus ferrumequinum lung fibroblasts. Our findings reveal that BANAL-236 can efficiently use human entry factors and potently evade the human innate immune response, two traits that may have contributed to its zoonotic transmission. Furthermore, the R. ferrumequinum cell lines we developed is a valuable model for investigating the molecular interactions between sarbecoviruses and their natural hosts. ### Competing Interest Statement The Krogan Laboratory has received research support from Vir Biotechnology, F. Hoffmann-La Roche, and Rezo Therapeutics. NJK has a financially compensated consulting agreement with Maze Therapeutics. NJK is the President and is on the Board of Directors of Rezo Therapeutics, and he is a shareholder in Tenaya Therapeutics, Maze Therapeutics, Rezo Therapeutics, and GEn1E Lifesciences.
www.biorxiv.org
November 10, 2025 at 11:07 PM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
This company Invivyd is looking more overtly anti-vaccine.

Its shady SPEAR group has known cranks as members (Amy Proal, David Putrino) but also unexpected members Akiko Iwasaki and Michael Peluso.

Yes, this whole thing is still "giving Wakefield" and smacks of tooth fairy science.
These people are developing into a collective movement of vaccine-skeptics with conflicts of interest.
November 10, 2025 at 10:40 PM
When vaccine coverage drops, history shows what happens, diseases we’ve nearly eliminated start re-emerging. Outbreaks follow: more infections, hospitalisations and even deaths. It’s not “if” but “when”.

Don't wait, vaccinate.

#VaccinesWork #PublicHealth
Canada loses its measles-free status, with US on track to follow

Public health officials say the cases are spreading primarily in "under-vaccinated communities", urging people to get the MMR jab.
Canada loses measles elimination status, with US on track to follow
The country hasn't been able to curb an outbreak of more than 5,000 cases over the last year, while US cases are at a 33-year high.
www.bbc.com
November 10, 2025 at 10:38 PM
Canada loses its measles-free status, with US on track to follow

Public health officials say the cases are spreading primarily in "under-vaccinated communities", urging people to get the MMR jab.
Canada loses measles elimination status, with US on track to follow
The country hasn't been able to curb an outbreak of more than 5,000 cases over the last year, while US cases are at a 33-year high.
www.bbc.com
November 10, 2025 at 10:30 PM
Rising Cognitive Disability as a Public Health Concern Among US Adults
Trends From the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, 2013–2023

Are COVID-19 vaccines or SARS-CoV-2 affecting cognitivee abilities?

www.neurology.org/do...
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Rising Cognitive Disability as a Public Health Concern Among US Adults | Neurology
Background and ObjectivesCognitive disability—defined by the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) as serious difficulty concentrating, remembering, or making decisions because of a physical, mental, or emotional condition—has become the most ...
www.neurology.org
November 10, 2025 at 9:30 PM
Maternal paracetamol (acetaminophen) use during pregnancy and risk of autism spectrum disorder and attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder in offspring: umbrella review of systematic reviews

No increased risk for the gentic condition called autism

www.bmj.com/content/...
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Maternal paracetamol (acetaminophen) use during pregnancy and risk of autism spectrum disorder and attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder in offspring: umbrella review of systematic reviews
Objective To assess the quality, biases, and validity of evidence on maternal paracetamol (acetaminophen) use during pregnancy and the risk of autism spectrum disorder (referred to as autism) and attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in offspring. Design Umbrella review of systematic reviews. Data sources Medline, Embase, PsycINFO, and the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, along with grey literature, Epistemonikos, and the reference lists of included studies (inception to 30 September 2025). Inclusion criteria Systematic reviews of randomised trials and cohort, case-control, or cross sectional studies that reported maternal paracetamol use during pregnancy and the diagnosis of autism or ADHD in offspring. Details of the primary studies included in the reviews are reported, including adjustments for key confounders (maternal characteristics, indication for paracetamol use, and familial factors) and unmeasured confounders and ascertainment of outcomes. Results Nine reviews (40 studies) reporting on autism (six studies) and ADHD (17 studies) in offspring were included. Four reviews undertook meta-analysis. The overlap of primary studies included in the reviews was very high (corrected covered area 23%). The reviews reported a possible to strong association between maternal paracetamol intake and autism or ADHD or both in offspring. Seven of the nine reviews advised caution when interpreting the findings owing to the potential risk of bias and confounding in the included studies. Confidence in the findings of the reviews was low (two reviews) to critically low (seven reviews) based on the AMSTAR 2 (A MeaSurement Tool to Assess Systematic Reviews) criteria. Only one review included studies (n=2) reporting autism and ADHD in offspring that appropriately adjusted for familial factors and unmeasured confounding through sibling controlled analyses. In both studies, the increased risk of autism in offspring (one study, hazard ratio 1.05, 95% confidence interval 1.02 to 1.08) and ADHD (two studies, 1.07, 1.05 to 1.10 and 2.02, 1.17 to 3.25 ) observed in the whole cohort analyses did not persist in sibling controlled analyses for autism (0.98, 0.93 to 1.04) and ADHD (0.98, 0.94 to 1.02 and 1.06, 0.51 to 2.05). Conclusion Existing evidence does not clearly link maternal paracetamol use during pregnancy with autism or ADHD in offspring. Systematic review registration PROSPERO CRD420251154052. All data relevant to the study is included in the article or uploaded as supplementary information.
www.bmj.com
November 10, 2025 at 6:09 PM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
What you’re witnessing is a populist assault on the BBC.

This is not an institutional scandal in any meaningful sense of the word. It is an attack on public service broadcasting.

iandunt.substack.com/p/extra-edit...
November 10, 2025 at 10:52 AM
This is despot state level bad.
New: By federally pardoning his old regime from charges they do not even face, Trump is signaling his current crew: Loyalty means immunity. Trump Pardons Giuliani and Others Involved in Effort to Overturn 2020 Election www.nytimes.com/2025/11/10/u...
Trump Pardons Giuliani and Others Involved in Effort to Overturn 2020 Election
www.nytimes.com
November 10, 2025 at 3:49 PM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
Zo dichtbij, en toch zo ver weg.
Wie feiten met emotie verwart, kan geen gesprek voeren. ‘Wist ik ook niet, en ik volgde hem al lang’ komt er bijna, maar mist de waarheid.

Net als antivaxxers en COVID-doomdenkers, zitten zowel Netanyahu als Hamas faliekant fout.
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November 9, 2025 at 7:17 PM
There is an anwer, well, no of course not!

There are empty words, personal insults, etc. It again highlights these accounts have no knowledge or data or evidence. They cry: "they are wrong". What is wrong and the evidence of wrongness remains unknown.

(anyone can reply)

bsky.app/profile/mcol...
November 10, 2025 at 2:57 PM
Do they know this from each other? Anti-vaxxers and COVID-Doomers use the same tactics: twist facts, abuse bad papers (opinions, case studues, low impact journals), shift goalposts, and then demand others “prove a negative.” It’s not honest debate, it’s bad-faith performance.
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November 10, 2025 at 12:42 PM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
T cell cholesterol transport links intestinal immune responses to dietary lipid absorption

T cells can influence many things, inlcuding the absorption of fat in the intestine.

www.science.org/doi/...
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T cell cholesterol transport links intestinal immune responses to dietary lipid absorption
The intrinsic pathways that control membrane organization in immune cells and their impact on cellular functions are poorly defined. We found that the nonvesicular cholesterol transporter Aster-A linked plasma membrane (PM) cholesterol availability in ...
www.science.org
October 14, 2025 at 1:00 PM
Virus Genome Sequences in the Blood of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Patients

This is a pre-print and the findings will need further validation. Is the viral diversity less in ME/CFS patients, or do they get infected less?

www.medrxiv.org/cont...
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Virus Genome Sequences in the Blood of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Patients
Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) is a baffling disease. The disease has a wide spectrum of severity, to date has no established molecular marker, no known causation, and no cure. Many patients report in retrospect that they suffered a virus infection prior to suffering their first symptoms of ME/CFS. Therefore, we report a search for virus genome sequences in the cell-free blood of ME/CFS patients and healthy controls. We used a panel of molecular probes to assess the presence or absence of 185 diverse human viruses in each sample. We identified a total of seventeen viruses, with more in the healthy controls than in the ME/CFS patients. ### Competing Interest Statement The authors have declared no competing interest. ### Funding Statement These experiments were supported by NIH grant 4 P01 HG000205 to RWD. ### Author Declarations I confirm all relevant ethical guidelines have been followed, and any necessary IRB and/or ethics committee approvals have been obtained. Yes The details of the IRB/oversight body that provided approval or exemption for the research described are given below: The Stanford University IRB (Protocol 34830) gave ethical approval for this work. I confirm that all necessary patient/participant consent has been obtained and the appropriate institutional forms have been archived, and that any patient/participant/sample identifiers included were not known to anyone (e.g., hospital staff, patients or participants themselves) outside the research group so cannot be used to identify individuals. Yes I understand that all clinical trials and any other prospective interventional studies must be registered with an ICMJE-approved registry, such as ClinicalTrials.gov. I confirm that any such study reported in the manuscript has been registered and the trial registration ID is provided (note: if posting a prospective study registered retrospectively, please provide a statement in the trial ID field explaining why the study was not registered in advance). Yes I have followed all appropriate research reporting guidelines, such as any relevant EQUATOR Network research reporting checklist(s) and other pertinent material, if applicable. Yes All scripts, keyfiles, and data (starting with the collapsed fastq sequences at the end of step2) are available at https://github.com/k-roy/MOLECULAR _PROBES and archived with Zenodo at https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17429326. <https://github.com/k-roy/MOLECULAR_PROBES> <https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17429326>
www.medrxiv.org
November 10, 2025 at 11:11 AM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
But it is not science. Science isn’t about winning arguments. It’s about testing reality, even when it humbles us. So when you see the shift from evidence to mockery, from models to memes, ask yourself: is this science, or activism dressed up as science?
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September 17, 2025 at 5:36 PM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
It has been over 4 years. In the summer of 2020, we discussed the likely progression of the C19 pandemic. It was initiated by the messages we heard in the media that did not resonate with scientific knowledge. In the autumn we put it to paper @Nature Rev Immunology

www.nature.com/articles/s41...
Endemic SARS-CoV-2 will maintain post-pandemic immunity - Nature Reviews Immunology
Here, Veldhoen and Simas discuss why immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in populations may ultimately be driven by the endemic presence of the virus and not rely on continued mass vaccination programmes.
www.nature.com
November 20, 2024 at 12:00 PM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
Science and activism are not the same. Science tests ideas with data, admits uncertainty, and evolves with evidence. Activism often seeks certainty, slogans, and easy explanations and enemies. The clash becomes clear when disagreement is met with insult, not argument.
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September 17, 2025 at 5:36 PM
Reposted by Marc Veldhoen
Experts aren’t “zombies”; they just refuse to throw out immunology, virology and epidemiology knowledge so you can role-play a scientific revolution.

And those so-called “brave outliers”? They’re not cancelled, their claims simply collapse the moment real data is required.
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November 9, 2025 at 7:44 PM