Leate Wonceslace
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> Trump has a long way to go to catch up to biden's crimes
What did Biden do that hurt the people of Gaza that Trump hasn't done?
They've both supplied weapons.
Trump is actively assisting settlers in the area.
His family is even investing in local real estate.
I don't think you're being coherent.
What did Biden do that hurt the people of Gaza that Trump hasn't done?
They've both supplied weapons.
Trump is actively assisting settlers in the area.
His family is even investing in local real estate.
I don't think you're being coherent.
May 21, 2025 at 4:00 PM
> Trump has a long way to go to catch up to biden's crimes
What did Biden do that hurt the people of Gaza that Trump hasn't done?
They've both supplied weapons.
Trump is actively assisting settlers in the area.
His family is even investing in local real estate.
I don't think you're being coherent.
What did Biden do that hurt the people of Gaza that Trump hasn't done?
They've both supplied weapons.
Trump is actively assisting settlers in the area.
His family is even investing in local real estate.
I don't think you're being coherent.
The Data where Trump is not only ignoring but actively imprisoning pro-palestinian protestors.
The Data that things are getting worse faster than they were under Biden.
Y'know. Readily available facts that show abstaining doesn't get you anything.
The Data that things are getting worse faster than they were under Biden.
Y'know. Readily available facts that show abstaining doesn't get you anything.
May 21, 2025 at 3:51 PM
The Data where Trump is not only ignoring but actively imprisoning pro-palestinian protestors.
The Data that things are getting worse faster than they were under Biden.
Y'know. Readily available facts that show abstaining doesn't get you anything.
The Data that things are getting worse faster than they were under Biden.
Y'know. Readily available facts that show abstaining doesn't get you anything.
The Data shows that Voting for Harris would've been better for the people of Gaza.
May 21, 2025 at 3:46 PM
The Data shows that Voting for Harris would've been better for the people of Gaza.
How are you deriving inferences about people who *started* the narrative from *polling data?*
May 21, 2025 at 3:42 PM
How are you deriving inferences about people who *started* the narrative from *polling data?*
The crowd that started the advocacy against Harris wouldn't have *ever* voted for her. There's abstentionists every year with a new song each time.
You bring a good point, though; it's good to pressure the dems. How's pressuring Trump going?
You bring a good point, though; it's good to pressure the dems. How's pressuring Trump going?
May 21, 2025 at 3:38 PM
The crowd that started the advocacy against Harris wouldn't have *ever* voted for her. There's abstentionists every year with a new song each time.
You bring a good point, though; it's good to pressure the dems. How's pressuring Trump going?
You bring a good point, though; it's good to pressure the dems. How's pressuring Trump going?
Do you believe that to stay neutral is to side with the oppressor?
May 21, 2025 at 3:34 PM
Do you believe that to stay neutral is to side with the oppressor?
I will, for the sake of this discussion, simply ✨grant that as true✨ and ask a couple question:
How is that relevant to what we were just talking about?
Does that mean *voting for her* (with all the context thereof as previously discussed) is pro-genocide?
How is that relevant to what we were just talking about?
Does that mean *voting for her* (with all the context thereof as previously discussed) is pro-genocide?
May 21, 2025 at 2:39 PM
I will, for the sake of this discussion, simply ✨grant that as true✨ and ask a couple question:
How is that relevant to what we were just talking about?
Does that mean *voting for her* (with all the context thereof as previously discussed) is pro-genocide?
How is that relevant to what we were just talking about?
Does that mean *voting for her* (with all the context thereof as previously discussed) is pro-genocide?
I'm not the one who chose to pair voting for Kamala Harris with being pro-genocide. The counter-narrative (that if we analyze the decisions and their consequences we find that it's the opposite) is a product of the facts of the situation, that initial lie, and the tactics of those who spread it.
May 21, 2025 at 2:33 PM
I'm not the one who chose to pair voting for Kamala Harris with being pro-genocide. The counter-narrative (that if we analyze the decisions and their consequences we find that it's the opposite) is a product of the facts of the situation, that initial lie, and the tactics of those who spread it.
> Ultimately you're trying to
Speaks of the content of my mind.
I can see how my actions may inspire feelings of shame, but that's not the goal; I'd prefer that others not feel shame. I speak of the consequences of actions with the hope of being understood and for others to give due consideration.
Speaks of the content of my mind.
I can see how my actions may inspire feelings of shame, but that's not the goal; I'd prefer that others not feel shame. I speak of the consequences of actions with the hope of being understood and for others to give due consideration.
May 21, 2025 at 2:24 PM
> Ultimately you're trying to
Speaks of the content of my mind.
I can see how my actions may inspire feelings of shame, but that's not the goal; I'd prefer that others not feel shame. I speak of the consequences of actions with the hope of being understood and for others to give due consideration.
Speaks of the content of my mind.
I can see how my actions may inspire feelings of shame, but that's not the goal; I'd prefer that others not feel shame. I speak of the consequences of actions with the hope of being understood and for others to give due consideration.
You don't know the content of my mind. I've long held the position that abstentionism is not a beneficial component to a viable strategy, even if one seeks to subvert the system entirely. Despite what you insinuate, one does not necessitate the other.
May 21, 2025 at 2:18 PM
You don't know the content of my mind. I've long held the position that abstentionism is not a beneficial component to a viable strategy, even if one seeks to subvert the system entirely. Despite what you insinuate, one does not necessitate the other.
I have sometimes got confirmation that tactics like that have swayed people's opinions. a couple of times someone I was arguing with actually changed their minds. Usually, you can't ever know and you just need to hope.
May 21, 2025 at 2:07 PM
I have sometimes got confirmation that tactics like that have swayed people's opinions. a couple of times someone I was arguing with actually changed their minds. Usually, you can't ever know and you just need to hope.
That's fair. I just needed to point out the gap between the thing that she said and the thing that was being expressed to bypass it. I can't know if she's doing it intentionally or not, so I needed to do something that worked either way and focusing on the content rather than the intent seemed best.
May 21, 2025 at 1:42 PM
That's fair. I just needed to point out the gap between the thing that she said and the thing that was being expressed to bypass it. I can't know if she's doing it intentionally or not, so I needed to do something that worked either way and focusing on the content rather than the intent seemed best.
The Anti-genocide thing to do is to take actions that will reduce genocide.The Pro-genocide is to take actions that will increase genocide.When there are two and each threatens a different amount of genocides, then the anti-genocide thing to do is to vote for the one who threatens the least number.
May 21, 2025 at 1:39 PM
The Anti-genocide thing to do is to take actions that will reduce genocide.The Pro-genocide is to take actions that will increase genocide.When there are two and each threatens a different amount of genocides, then the anti-genocide thing to do is to vote for the one who threatens the least number.
Should I take your lack of objection as confirmation? If so, good. Now that we have established that reducing genocide is a coherent thing a person can participate in, hopefully that will be the last of the word games. 1/2
May 21, 2025 at 1:38 PM
Should I take your lack of objection as confirmation? If so, good. Now that we have established that reducing genocide is a coherent thing a person can participate in, hopefully that will be the last of the word games. 1/2
Do you have any experience in breaking through thought-stopping cliches?
May 21, 2025 at 1:29 PM
Do you have any experience in breaking through thought-stopping cliches?
I didn't say "harm reduce" I said "reduce". Don't put words in my mouth.
If you (as you say) "TRY TO STOP GENOCIDE" and succeed in stopping one of many different genocides, you would have reduced the total number of genocides happening, correct?
If you (as you say) "TRY TO STOP GENOCIDE" and succeed in stopping one of many different genocides, you would have reduced the total number of genocides happening, correct?
May 21, 2025 at 1:26 PM
I didn't say "harm reduce" I said "reduce". Don't put words in my mouth.
If you (as you say) "TRY TO STOP GENOCIDE" and succeed in stopping one of many different genocides, you would have reduced the total number of genocides happening, correct?
If you (as you say) "TRY TO STOP GENOCIDE" and succeed in stopping one of many different genocides, you would have reduced the total number of genocides happening, correct?
Sure, but she's using thought-stopping cliches because she doesn't want to talk about the *other* components that I've been referencing and she can't afford to acknowledge exist. Because she knows that if she acknowledges those it means I'm wrong and she'll "lose" the discussion.
May 21, 2025 at 1:23 PM
Sure, but she's using thought-stopping cliches because she doesn't want to talk about the *other* components that I've been referencing and she can't afford to acknowledge exist. Because she knows that if she acknowledges those it means I'm wrong and she'll "lose" the discussion.
Oh look, a tankie is loosing an argument and is now reduced to initializing insults. I've never seen this before.
May 21, 2025 at 1:21 PM
Oh look, a tankie is loosing an argument and is now reduced to initializing insults. I've never seen this before.
If you are anti-genocide, then you perform actions that reduce current or future genocide.
If you are pro-genocide, then you perform actions that maintain or increase current or future genocide.
Correct?
If you are pro-genocide, then you perform actions that maintain or increase current or future genocide.
Correct?
May 21, 2025 at 1:19 PM
If you are anti-genocide, then you perform actions that reduce current or future genocide.
If you are pro-genocide, then you perform actions that maintain or increase current or future genocide.
Correct?
If you are pro-genocide, then you perform actions that maintain or increase current or future genocide.
Correct?
No fucking Shit. Good Job. But that's not what she said.
May 21, 2025 at 1:16 PM
No fucking Shit. Good Job. But that's not what she said.
Oh, then everyone without power is Anti-genocide?
Everyone who doesn't care about genocide but doesn't participate is Anti-genocide?
Everyone who doesn't care about genocide but doesn't participate is Anti-genocide?
May 21, 2025 at 1:12 PM
Oh, then everyone without power is Anti-genocide?
Everyone who doesn't care about genocide but doesn't participate is Anti-genocide?
Everyone who doesn't care about genocide but doesn't participate is Anti-genocide?
Refusing to perform the action that reduces genocide is a pro-genocide strategy.
Refusing to vote is pro-genocide.
Refusing to vote is pro-genocide.
May 21, 2025 at 1:08 PM
Refusing to perform the action that reduces genocide is a pro-genocide strategy.
Refusing to vote is pro-genocide.
Refusing to vote is pro-genocide.
Being anti-genocide means taking the action that most reduces genocide.
If one hospital has a better method for treating cancer, then the pro-survival hospital is the one with the fewest deaths from cancer per patient.
I'm sorry you can't do math.
If one hospital has a better method for treating cancer, then the pro-survival hospital is the one with the fewest deaths from cancer per patient.
I'm sorry you can't do math.
May 21, 2025 at 1:07 PM
Being anti-genocide means taking the action that most reduces genocide.
If one hospital has a better method for treating cancer, then the pro-survival hospital is the one with the fewest deaths from cancer per patient.
I'm sorry you can't do math.
If one hospital has a better method for treating cancer, then the pro-survival hospital is the one with the fewest deaths from cancer per patient.
I'm sorry you can't do math.