You cannot use the suffering of Americans as leverage against people who are fundamentally unmoved by suffering
November 10, 2025 at 3:23 PM
You cannot use the suffering of Americans as leverage against people who are fundamentally unmoved by suffering
The way people act like we were days away from a massive windfall of concessions and not plunging face first into the longest shutdown in history with basically no one behind the wheel
It’s easy to say that staying the course was the right decision; I’d prefer not to see how low the GOP would go
It’s easy to say that staying the course was the right decision; I’d prefer not to see how low the GOP would go
November 10, 2025 at 3:22 PM
The way people act like we were days away from a massive windfall of concessions and not plunging face first into the longest shutdown in history with basically no one behind the wheel
It’s easy to say that staying the course was the right decision; I’d prefer not to see how low the GOP would go
It’s easy to say that staying the course was the right decision; I’d prefer not to see how low the GOP would go
The individuals impacted did not consent to being bargaining chips. They also cannot withdraw that consent or vote again for a year. This cannot become the main strategy by which politics gets done. It sucks that it failed. I wish it hadn’t.
November 10, 2025 at 2:09 PM
The individuals impacted did not consent to being bargaining chips. They also cannot withdraw that consent or vote again for a year. This cannot become the main strategy by which politics gets done. It sucks that it failed. I wish it hadn’t.
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In addition to the selfish desire for me to be able to feed myself and my family, the other thing that really scared me was the possibility of a major air disaster. I don't care who would've been "blamed" for it. It's a tragedy that I hope we avoided.
November 10, 2025 at 2:07 PM
In addition to the selfish desire for me to be able to feed myself and my family, the other thing that really scared me was the possibility of a major air disaster. I don't care who would've been "blamed" for it. It's a tragedy that I hope we avoided.
Look, it sucks. Our family includes an elder with cancer on Medicare and a government employee. I am terrified for what will become of all of us. I also know that treating the ongoing impact as inconsequential AND asserting that more suffering would guarantee concessions are both false.
November 10, 2025 at 1:35 PM
Look, it sucks. Our family includes an elder with cancer on Medicare and a government employee. I am terrified for what will become of all of us. I also know that treating the ongoing impact as inconsequential AND asserting that more suffering would guarantee concessions are both false.
Do you really think the only ongoing impact of a shutdown is people traveling for pleasure? Jesus
So many folks believe reality is a script written by Aaron Sorkin where the Dems extract every concession they want and go in to ride it to electoral smash victories with no one harmed in the process?
So many folks believe reality is a script written by Aaron Sorkin where the Dems extract every concession they want and go in to ride it to electoral smash victories with no one harmed in the process?
November 10, 2025 at 12:49 PM
Do you really think the only ongoing impact of a shutdown is people traveling for pleasure? Jesus
So many folks believe reality is a script written by Aaron Sorkin where the Dems extract every concession they want and go in to ride it to electoral smash victories with no one harmed in the process?
So many folks believe reality is a script written by Aaron Sorkin where the Dems extract every concession they want and go in to ride it to electoral smash victories with no one harmed in the process?
Where did I say gut the ACA?
November 10, 2025 at 12:33 PM
Where did I say gut the ACA?
So your argument here is that if we reopen the government to provide short term relief on a short-term agreement brokered over health insurance administration … the Dems will 100% lose every subsequent election? That is a wild claim.
November 10, 2025 at 12:29 PM
So your argument here is that if we reopen the government to provide short term relief on a short-term agreement brokered over health insurance administration … the Dems will 100% lose every subsequent election? That is a wild claim.
Possibly, unfalsifiable tbh, and also the government is shut down. People are working without pay, including in jobs that are critical to public safety. SNAP is also not the entire equation of family hunger. The nation is not built to function without an open government for any amount of time.
November 10, 2025 at 12:26 PM
Possibly, unfalsifiable tbh, and also the government is shut down. People are working without pay, including in jobs that are critical to public safety. SNAP is also not the entire equation of family hunger. The nation is not built to function without an open government for any amount of time.
What are you talking about? People are working full time jobs without being paid. The GOP controls government. Y’all act like if we stick it out long enough we will get a whole new president. This isn’t Space Jam. It’s a bunch of shitty options.
November 10, 2025 at 12:19 PM
What are you talking about? People are working full time jobs without being paid. The GOP controls government. Y’all act like if we stick it out long enough we will get a whole new president. This isn’t Space Jam. It’s a bunch of shitty options.
I don’t really disagree with any of that. Honestly the calculations will always feel like unacceptable compromises. An emergent, ongoing, non theoretical risk of harm should be weighed even higher when all parties are not rational actors. It’s fucking terrible, yeah.
November 10, 2025 at 12:13 PM
I don’t really disagree with any of that. Honestly the calculations will always feel like unacceptable compromises. An emergent, ongoing, non theoretical risk of harm should be weighed even higher when all parties are not rational actors. It’s fucking terrible, yeah.
You cannot say “the ongoing cost of this is calculated at zero” - it goes up and it goes up quickly and dramatically over time. And as it does, we can’t act like the calculation doesn’t change.
November 10, 2025 at 12:07 PM
You cannot say “the ongoing cost of this is calculated at zero” - it goes up and it goes up quickly and dramatically over time. And as it does, we can’t act like the calculation doesn’t change.
In a government shutdown, people blame both sides mostly along party lines. It is absolutely not a foregone conclusion that it would break any particular way, especially over a longer and longer period of time. The only thing for 100% sure is people were in danger of harm now.
November 10, 2025 at 12:06 PM
In a government shutdown, people blame both sides mostly along party lines. It is absolutely not a foregone conclusion that it would break any particular way, especially over a longer and longer period of time. The only thing for 100% sure is people were in danger of harm now.
It’s easy to say “we were days away from a larger and permanent concession that gave us everything we wanted” and there is no proof that that’s true. It’s a nonfalsifiable claim, so pundits make it. We have every reason to believe the wealthy would stretch this indefinitely.
November 10, 2025 at 11:42 AM
It’s easy to say “we were days away from a larger and permanent concession that gave us everything we wanted” and there is no proof that that’s true. It’s a nonfalsifiable claim, so pundits make it. We have every reason to believe the wealthy would stretch this indefinitely.
It’s easy to say “we were days away from a larger and permanent concession that gave us everything we wanted” and there is no proof that that’s true. It’s a nonfalsifiable claim.
November 10, 2025 at 11:40 AM
It’s easy to say “we were days away from a larger and permanent concession that gave us everything we wanted” and there is no proof that that’s true. It’s a nonfalsifiable claim.
I’m saying what is their recourse? The next election is in a year.
November 10, 2025 at 11:38 AM
I’m saying what is their recourse? The next election is in a year.
Some people have already missed enough pay that their housing and nutrition is in immediate and irreversible jeopardy. What should they do? Vote?
November 10, 2025 at 11:24 AM
Some people have already missed enough pay that their housing and nutrition is in immediate and irreversible jeopardy. What should they do? Vote?
I understand there is an unacceptable risk of the GOP agenda, an omnipresent one that will last for four years. To say an indefinite shutdown is literally the ONLY tool Dems have at their disposal is absurd. Also to say public opinion could never swing against the Dems here is ridiculous.
November 10, 2025 at 11:24 AM
I understand there is an unacceptable risk of the GOP agenda, an omnipresent one that will last for four years. To say an indefinite shutdown is literally the ONLY tool Dems have at their disposal is absurd. Also to say public opinion could never swing against the Dems here is ridiculous.
The election is over. There is not another election for a year. The Dems got some big wins, and at this point the ROI on keeping the government closed shrinks dramatically. You cannot allow this to become an ongoing hostage situation.
November 10, 2025 at 11:16 AM
The election is over. There is not another election for a year. The Dems got some big wins, and at this point the ROI on keeping the government closed shrinks dramatically. You cannot allow this to become an ongoing hostage situation.
And before you come for me, I understand the risk of longer term harm. I don’t want that. And I also am not so wonkish that I don’t think competent comms people can articulate this in a way that doesn’t DOOM liberal politics. It is defensible to not let families suffer.
November 10, 2025 at 11:16 AM
And before you come for me, I understand the risk of longer term harm. I don’t want that. And I also am not so wonkish that I don’t think competent comms people can articulate this in a way that doesn’t DOOM liberal politics. It is defensible to not let families suffer.
I loved my first one and used it constantly. When it broke I was bereft! But the new one is too fancy somehow
November 10, 2025 at 1:37 AM
I loved my first one and used it constantly. When it broke I was bereft! But the new one is too fancy somehow