Their love of free speech was only ever for their speech.

The more I've thought about it, the more I think the main problem isn't with the messaging itself, but rather the fact that Dems allow Republicans to set the framework, and therefore language, of the conversation.

You can go ahead and retire too.

Wait, you think you guys are counter punching?

The best any of you have come up with yet is a limp slap. That didn't connect.

Let's have the punching debate when you guys finally learn how to actually hit hard.

So, yes.

But also, they were right on this one.

Those paddles and pink shirts were a pathetic protest that made them all look like knobs.

The walk out t shirts were a half decent idea poorly executed.

We wanted a show of unity and strength from them, not stupid wardrobe choices.

I'd say it's pretty clear that, as a party, they are very much not in.

Ah, so that's the problem. Democrats don't appear united because they apparently don't know what united means.

Stay to make Trump uncomfortable? How much stupider can they get? He loves antagonizing them to their faces.

We want real action, not poorly thought out political posturing.

We need to be focused on:

1. Filing and winning lawsuits to stop, slow, or weaken the most damaging parts of his agenda.
2. Reenergizing and unifying the left behind real leaders who can win
3. Retaking ground in the midterms
4. Ensuring that his chosen successor fails in four years.

Yep. And so since that's the reality we live in, calling for his arrest and impeachment (which won't even make it through the House, let alone conviction in the Senate, and would just further energize his already rabid base), I think we should all focus on achievable results.

Yep, I've been following the Lincoln Project since the very beginning, as well as Joe Walsh.

I'm not saying there aren't Republicans who hate Trump. I'm saying that there aren't enough Republicans who do in power to remove Trump.

I didn't pick the 40 years ago number out of a hat.

What have Republicans done in the last 40 years that made you think that?

Never once during either impeachment process did I ever think anywhere near enough would vote to remove him.

All it did was give credence to the "They're out to get me" victim mentality that conservatives ate up.

You sure can. But only one of them is going to accomplish anything.

Impeaching Trump the first and second time was the biggest political mistake Democrats have made in my lifetime, and is a major reason he won again.

That's the fight they want.

Don't give it to them.

And more important than the problem, it's the reason we need to focus on fighting his agenda rather than crowing about arresting or impeaching him.

Well, best of luck with getting anyone to make those charges stick.

I remember hearing people talk about presidential immunity when I was a kid and Clinton was being impeached. We literally talked about it in seventh grade social studies. It is not a last year thing.

Impeachment will not happen with any republican-controlled or close Congress.

Is presidential immunity no longer a thing?

Arrest/impeachment talk is a waste of time and energy that's just meant to make liberals feel better and that our "leaders" are at least trying.

But it's not going to happen. We need to focus on blocking his agenda, not removing him.

Unfortunately being a bad president is not a crime.

"I don't know anything about Joe Walsh's career over the last few years" would have been fewer words.