Fyi the data is clear there is no link.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...

I enjoyed when the in-person feed cut out and it was just Dr. Meissner thinking it was his internet and was troubleshooting. We've all been there.

Great comment by non-panel member that vaccines are for primary prevention as a public health strategy which has totally been lost of the panel for the past 8 hours.

Thanks! That's helpful

Very good points being made by Hillary Blackburn (pharmacist) and Dr. Cody Meissner as to why vote no on this vote. This vote will be close.

Again many of the members don't understand how these votes are going to actually play out in real life.

From the ACIP website. The current group did not follow this guidance.

According to the ACIP (historically), they define it as "In this context, CDC defines a health care provider as anyone who provides or administers vaccines: primary care physicians, specialists, physician assistants, nurse practitioners, registered nurses, and pharmacists." So techs would not count.

Passed 11-1.

True, I think practically - at least at most pharmacies - they don't give vaccines in the shared decision making category. Maybe if you do a minute clinic appointment.

There is a different vote (#2) that would require a prescription. I don't know if ACIP has that authority though.

Shared decision making is different and is a conversation between a health care provider and a patient about risks/benefits.

Here is one example: jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...

"In this multisite observational cohort study, of 42 156 pregnancies ending in live birth, first-trimester COVID-19 vaccination was not associated with increased risk for selected major structural birth defects."