And hydrogen also works brilliant for cars too. In fact, even better than batteries, as FCEVs are also EVs and have the same kind of smooth and noiseless power delivery. But they refuel as easily as petrol/gasoline cars. So they are arguably superior there too.
November 16, 2025 at 5:40 AM
And hydrogen also works brilliant for cars too. In fact, even better than batteries, as FCEVs are also EVs and have the same kind of smooth and noiseless power delivery. But they refuel as easily as petrol/gasoline cars. So they are arguably superior there too.
This is battery propaganda. We must move the majority of transportation onto hydrogen or e-fuels. It's batteries for transportation and its huge resource requirements that must be stopped.
November 16, 2025 at 12:55 AM
This is battery propaganda. We must move the majority of transportation onto hydrogen or e-fuels. It's batteries for transportation and its huge resource requirements that must be stopped.
Cool. I will do the same.
November 16, 2025 at 12:11 AM
Cool. I will do the same.
The equilibrium will involve a lot of hydrogen-based energy storage. Again, I will repeat my source(s):
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
web.stanford.edu
November 16, 2025 at 12:09 AM
The equilibrium will involve a lot of hydrogen-based energy storage. Again, I will repeat my source(s):
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
Again, you are clearly overlooking (or ignoring) sources. So I will just repeat them until you notice:
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
web.stanford.edu
November 16, 2025 at 12:05 AM
Again, you are clearly overlooking (or ignoring) sources. So I will just repeat them until you notice:
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
So no one in Europe or NA matters anymore? I don't think you are trying to make a point at all anymore.
Anyways, since you are overlooking (or ignoring) my sources, I will repeat them.
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
Anyways, since you are overlooking (or ignoring) my sources, I will repeat them.
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
web.stanford.edu
November 16, 2025 at 12:05 AM
So no one in Europe or NA matters anymore? I don't think you are trying to make a point at all anymore.
Anyways, since you are overlooking (or ignoring) my sources, I will repeat them.
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
Anyways, since you are overlooking (or ignoring) my sources, I will repeat them.
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
It is showing the scale of the problem. That hasn't changed in the last 8 years.
In the meanwhile, the scientific literature has abandoned battery-only solutions. It is gotten much more pro-H2 with newer studies.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
In the meanwhile, the scientific literature has abandoned battery-only solutions. It is gotten much more pro-H2 with newer studies.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
November 16, 2025 at 12:02 AM
That's not a science paper FYI.
Real scientists disagree with you BTW. Especially once you look the entirety of the need:
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
Real scientists disagree with you BTW. Especially once you look the entirety of the need:
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
web.stanford.edu
November 16, 2025 at 12:00 AM
That's not a science paper FYI.
Real scientists disagree with you BTW. Especially once you look the entirety of the need:
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
Real scientists disagree with you BTW. Especially once you look the entirety of the need:
web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...
It is showing the scale of the problem. That hasn't changed in the last 8 years.
In the meanwhile, the scientific literature has abandoned battery-only solutions. It is gotten much more pro-H2 with newer studies.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
In the meanwhile, the scientific literature has abandoned battery-only solutions. It is gotten much more pro-H2 with newer studies.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
November 15, 2025 at 11:51 PM
It is showing the scale of the problem. That hasn't changed in the last 8 years.
In the meanwhile, the scientific literature has abandoned battery-only solutions. It is gotten much more pro-H2 with newer studies.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
In the meanwhile, the scientific literature has abandoned battery-only solutions. It is gotten much more pro-H2 with newer studies.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
Again, you are resorting to plain science denial. You need to actually look at facts.
Go to page six of this link. It clearly shows how curtailment expands exponentially. You cannot solve this with batteries alone:
docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy17ost...
Go to page six of this link. It clearly shows how curtailment expands exponentially. You cannot solve this with batteries alone:
docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy17ost...
docs.nrel.gov
November 15, 2025 at 11:46 PM
Again, you are resorting to plain science denial. You need to actually look at facts.
Go to page six of this link. It clearly shows how curtailment expands exponentially. You cannot solve this with batteries alone:
docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy17ost...
Go to page six of this link. It clearly shows how curtailment expands exponentially. You cannot solve this with batteries alone:
docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy17ost...
No shit, you are basically denying the science of the matter. Since the other side is literally presenting a process to reach 100% green energy, it's indecipherable why you even care so much about your position.
November 15, 2025 at 11:43 PM
No shit, you are basically denying the science of the matter. Since the other side is literally presenting a process to reach 100% green energy, it's indecipherable why you even care so much about your position.
Europe and NA are huge markets. You have a very strange definition of "niche."
You're still forgetting the vast needs from industry and (recently) datacenters. Demand for firm power generation and large-scale energy storage is increasing.
You're still forgetting the vast needs from industry and (recently) datacenters. Demand for firm power generation and large-scale energy storage is increasing.
November 15, 2025 at 11:41 PM
Europe and NA are huge markets. You have a very strange definition of "niche."
You're still forgetting the vast needs from industry and (recently) datacenters. Demand for firm power generation and large-scale energy storage is increasing.
You're still forgetting the vast needs from industry and (recently) datacenters. Demand for firm power generation and large-scale energy storage is increasing.
You will still need hydrogen or whatever for dunkelflaute, regardless of where you live. It is not specific to winter, although that's when it tends to happen in Europe.
November 15, 2025 at 11:40 PM
You will still need hydrogen or whatever for dunkelflaute, regardless of where you live. It is not specific to winter, although that's when it tends to happen in Europe.
FYI, this is type of battery-only ideology that is totally dead in the scientific literature. Everyone assumes some combo of battery+hydrogen or whatever these days. Most scientists have just moved on and accepted the need for H2.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
Modelling hydrogen storage requirements to balance the future Western Australian grid
Increasing renewable energy technology penetration into electrical grids to meet net zero CO2 emission targets is a key challenge in terms of intermit…
www.sciencedirect.com
November 15, 2025 at 11:38 PM
FYI, this is type of battery-only ideology that is totally dead in the scientific literature. Everyone assumes some combo of battery+hydrogen or whatever these days. Most scientists have just moved on and accepted the need for H2.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
They will probably use something like methanol or ammonia, maybe e-fuels or LH2 too, but not compressed hydrogen. But the physics allow for it.
November 15, 2025 at 11:32 PM
They will probably use something like methanol or ammonia, maybe e-fuels or LH2 too, but not compressed hydrogen. But the physics allow for it.
Again, this is a fossil fuel company we're talking about. They don't actually tell the truth.
November 15, 2025 at 11:31 PM
Again, this is a fossil fuel company we're talking about. They don't actually tell the truth.
Curtailment grows effectively exponentially, as we increase the amount of wind and solar on the grid. You cannot solve this with batteries alone.
docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy17ost...
docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy17ost...
docs.nrel.gov
November 15, 2025 at 11:24 PM
Curtailment grows effectively exponentially, as we increase the amount of wind and solar on the grid. You cannot solve this with batteries alone.
docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy17ost...
docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy17ost...
That will happen in the short-term, but in the long-run you quickly run out of battery capacity. We will need many TWhs of energy storage to reach zero emissions.
That will require something like hydrogen-based energy storage systems.
www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germany...
That will require something like hydrogen-based energy storage systems.
www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germany...
Germany can meet future hydrogen storage needs with salt caverns – econ ministry
www.cleanenergywire.org
November 15, 2025 at 11:19 PM
That will happen in the short-term, but in the long-run you quickly run out of battery capacity. We will need many TWhs of energy storage to reach zero emissions.
That will require something like hydrogen-based energy storage systems.
www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germany...
That will require something like hydrogen-based energy storage systems.
www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germany...
Blue hydrogen is mostly a waste of time. It still needs fossil fuels to exist. At best, it's a transitional technology.
This is again, the same rhetoric we saw used against wind and solar. Truly renewable energy should, in the long-run, be extremely cheap. That applies to green hydrogen too.
This is again, the same rhetoric we saw used against wind and solar. Truly renewable energy should, in the long-run, be extremely cheap. That applies to green hydrogen too.
November 15, 2025 at 11:14 PM
Blue hydrogen is mostly a waste of time. It still needs fossil fuels to exist. At best, it's a transitional technology.
This is again, the same rhetoric we saw used against wind and solar. Truly renewable energy should, in the long-run, be extremely cheap. That applies to green hydrogen too.
This is again, the same rhetoric we saw used against wind and solar. Truly renewable energy should, in the long-run, be extremely cheap. That applies to green hydrogen too.
So half that isn't? You will still need some kind of fuel to power those ships.
And you need to provide some kind of source for that claim. Hydrogen has higher energy density than bunker fuel. They would be using less fuel.
And you need to provide some kind of source for that claim. Hydrogen has higher energy density than bunker fuel. They would be using less fuel.
November 15, 2025 at 11:11 PM
So half that isn't? You will still need some kind of fuel to power those ships.
And you need to provide some kind of source for that claim. Hydrogen has higher energy density than bunker fuel. They would be using less fuel.
And you need to provide some kind of source for that claim. Hydrogen has higher energy density than bunker fuel. They would be using less fuel.
The battery industry is also capable of those things. In fact, I'd argue that they are just as bad or worse than the oil industry when it comes to disinformation.
In the end, green hydrogen is undeniably green. There is no point in dwelling on conspiracy theories on that matter.
In the end, green hydrogen is undeniably green. There is no point in dwelling on conspiracy theories on that matter.
November 15, 2025 at 11:04 PM
The battery industry is also capable of those things. In fact, I'd argue that they are just as bad or worse than the oil industry when it comes to disinformation.
In the end, green hydrogen is undeniably green. There is no point in dwelling on conspiracy theories on that matter.
In the end, green hydrogen is undeniably green. There is no point in dwelling on conspiracy theories on that matter.
You cannot power ocean-going ships or airplanes with batteries. You are not grasping the physics of the subject. For those cases, it must be hydrogen (or e-fuels). So at the very least, we will need a lot of hydrogen for these situations.
November 15, 2025 at 11:00 PM
You cannot power ocean-going ships or airplanes with batteries. You are not grasping the physics of the subject. For those cases, it must be hydrogen (or e-fuels). So at the very least, we will need a lot of hydrogen for these situations.