Padre Florecita
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Curate at Christ & St Stephen's (Upper West Side, NYC). Formerly of @fansplaining.bsky.social. They/them 🏳️⚧️.
it's true and i always feel vaguely resentful about it lol
February 6, 2026 at 12:04 AM
it's true and i always feel vaguely resentful about it lol
(yes the polity is not at all the same but more similar in comparison to either most other prots or RC)
February 5, 2026 at 7:58 PM
(yes the polity is not at all the same but more similar in comparison to either most other prots or RC)
but that's what I mean when I say that while the Oxford Movement def came from that nationalist/slightly ahistorical strand, I think a lot of current Anglo-Catholics exist because of the space it made but not buying into it as their main reason for being Anglican
February 5, 2026 at 7:57 PM
but that's what I mean when I say that while the Oxford Movement def came from that nationalist/slightly ahistorical strand, I think a lot of current Anglo-Catholics exist because of the space it made but not buying into it as their main reason for being Anglican
For me at least I have come to strongly prefer Anglican and Orthodox polity, but in my process of understanding that came after the gender theology issue. If I had been born RC I might well be still within rhe RC church and very frustrated all the time though
February 5, 2026 at 7:57 PM
For me at least I have come to strongly prefer Anglican and Orthodox polity, but in my process of understanding that came after the gender theology issue. If I had been born RC I might well be still within rhe RC church and very frustrated all the time though
Yes. And IMO part of what is going on is that many Episcopalians, like me, today hold largely (not entirely) catholic theology and liturgical positions but do not adhere to RC theology of gender and have ended up in TEC because we cannot be RC based on those differences
February 5, 2026 at 7:57 PM
Yes. And IMO part of what is going on is that many Episcopalians, like me, today hold largely (not entirely) catholic theology and liturgical positions but do not adhere to RC theology of gender and have ended up in TEC because we cannot be RC based on those differences
Yes, for sure. OK, we're on the same page! I'm not a historian myself particularly, so was curious if I was missing something about Henry etc.
February 5, 2026 at 7:09 PM
Yes, for sure. OK, we're on the same page! I'm not a historian myself particularly, so was curious if I was missing something about Henry etc.
(Note, I'm not endorsing that motivation, my Anglo-Catholicism comes from a totally different orientation, but it seems to me to be a strand that at least is reviving something in the early history of Anglicanism)
February 5, 2026 at 6:45 PM
(Note, I'm not endorsing that motivation, my Anglo-Catholicism comes from a totally different orientation, but it seems to me to be a strand that at least is reviving something in the early history of Anglicanism)
What I mean is, definitely you're right in the history, but I have the (maybe mistaken) impression that the very root of the CoE comes not from theology (as Lutherans, etc) but from geopolitics. & that's what one Anglo-Cath strand focuses on - the supposed "revival of a truly English catholicism"
February 5, 2026 at 6:44 PM
What I mean is, definitely you're right in the history, but I have the (maybe mistaken) impression that the very root of the CoE comes not from theology (as Lutherans, etc) but from geopolitics. & that's what one Anglo-Cath strand focuses on - the supposed "revival of a truly English catholicism"
I think (1) it's true that the Anglican communion has trended more catholic over time, especially in liturgy, but also (2) does this ignore the Henry VIII attitude that doesn't prioritize theology at all in favor of nationalist/pragmatic motivations?
February 5, 2026 at 6:42 PM
I think (1) it's true that the Anglican communion has trended more catholic over time, especially in liturgy, but also (2) does this ignore the Henry VIII attitude that doesn't prioritize theology at all in favor of nationalist/pragmatic motivations?
Yes! It's basically the only thing we're all stuck with, theologically speaking. Without a curia or any of the stuff that regulates folks in the RC world, we are all committed to the BCP and that's kinda basically it (ok, yes, there's canon law, but it's not generally about theological issues).
February 5, 2026 at 4:40 PM
Yes! It's basically the only thing we're all stuck with, theologically speaking. Without a curia or any of the stuff that regulates folks in the RC world, we are all committed to the BCP and that's kinda basically it (ok, yes, there's canon law, but it's not generally about theological issues).
I'm so sorry
I do not do what I want (leave your mentions alone) but I do the very thing that I hate (snow someone else's account with my obsessions)
I do not do what I want (leave your mentions alone) but I do the very thing that I hate (snow someone else's account with my obsessions)
February 5, 2026 at 4:19 PM
I'm so sorry
I do not do what I want (leave your mentions alone) but I do the very thing that I hate (snow someone else's account with my obsessions)
I do not do what I want (leave your mentions alone) but I do the very thing that I hate (snow someone else's account with my obsessions)
OK, that's actually more correct, you're right!
February 5, 2026 at 4:18 PM
OK, that's actually more correct, you're right!
(now we're blowing up someone's replies with unrelated inter-Anglican shit. SORRY)
February 5, 2026 at 3:55 PM
(now we're blowing up someone's replies with unrelated inter-Anglican shit. SORRY)
I truly don't understand how you can have female priests but not female bishops. I think people who oppose female ordination are super wrong, but at least consistent from that wrong position!
February 5, 2026 at 3:55 PM
I truly don't understand how you can have female priests but not female bishops. I think people who oppose female ordination are super wrong, but at least consistent from that wrong position!
lol, yeah, I don't get that. my personal problem with ACNA is about them choosing theological incoherency for the sake of building a big tent of Folks Who Don't Like Something TEC Did, not about their anti-queer stances or whatever, so this tracks with my stereotypes, alas
February 5, 2026 at 3:53 PM
lol, yeah, I don't get that. my personal problem with ACNA is about them choosing theological incoherency for the sake of building a big tent of Folks Who Don't Like Something TEC Did, not about their anti-queer stances or whatever, so this tracks with my stereotypes, alas
It is! That specific line is really interesting in prayerbook history - it is basically the most debated thing in the prayer book and in the early prayer book was added/deleted a TON. Finally they gave up and put it in but made it optional. (This is obviously a very surfacey gloss of a subject)
February 5, 2026 at 3:41 PM
It is! That specific line is really interesting in prayerbook history - it is basically the most debated thing in the prayer book and in the early prayer book was added/deleted a TON. Finally they gave up and put it in but made it optional. (This is obviously a very surfacey gloss of a subject)
This serves as a good reminder that I rarely actually know what is what level of dogma in the RC - and that's also true for RC layfolks (as you might guess, we interact with lots of folks leaving the RC for TEC and hear about what they think RC teaching is, which is sometimes not accurate)
February 5, 2026 at 3:38 PM
This serves as a good reminder that I rarely actually know what is what level of dogma in the RC - and that's also true for RC layfolks (as you might guess, we interact with lots of folks leaving the RC for TEC and hear about what they think RC teaching is, which is sometimes not accurate)
An interesting Anglican liturgical example: in the current mass, the Invitation is "the gifts of God for the people of God," but we have the option to add the memorialist line "take them in remembrance that Christ died for you, and feed on him in your hearts by faith, with thanksgiving" (I never do)
February 5, 2026 at 3:37 PM
An interesting Anglican liturgical example: in the current mass, the Invitation is "the gifts of God for the people of God," but we have the option to add the memorialist line "take them in remembrance that Christ died for you, and feed on him in your hearts by faith, with thanksgiving" (I never do)
That's quite materially different than what I thought was the case (that RC folks were bound to believe the specific Aristotelian mechanic of Real Presence, and the CoE was bound to believe in ANY explanation of Real Presence EXCEPT the Aristotelian one)
February 5, 2026 at 3:35 PM
That's quite materially different than what I thought was the case (that RC folks were bound to believe the specific Aristotelian mechanic of Real Presence, and the CoE was bound to believe in ANY explanation of Real Presence EXCEPT the Aristotelian one)
So maybe better to say the Episcopalian position and the RC position are the same position - since we are not bound by the Articles (I'm not sure if ACNA revived the Articles, they tend to be more Reformed than Episcopalians are). (Tho in practice there's many more memorialist tendencies in TEC)
February 5, 2026 at 3:35 PM
So maybe better to say the Episcopalian position and the RC position are the same position - since we are not bound by the Articles (I'm not sure if ACNA revived the Articles, they tend to be more Reformed than Episcopalians are). (Tho in practice there's many more memorialist tendencies in TEC)
This is super interesting because it basically leads me to think that the Catholic position and the Anglican position ARE THE SAME POSITION, except that part in the 39 Articles (which again, do not bind Episcopalian clergy, thank God) where they saltily reject transubstantiation (meaning Aristotle)
February 5, 2026 at 3:33 PM
This is super interesting because it basically leads me to think that the Catholic position and the Anglican position ARE THE SAME POSITION, except that part in the 39 Articles (which again, do not bind Episcopalian clergy, thank God) where they saltily reject transubstantiation (meaning Aristotle)
Not to mention a common experience of going to a foreign country, learning a new language, and experiencing life as an outsider!
February 5, 2026 at 2:56 AM
Not to mention a common experience of going to a foreign country, learning a new language, and experiencing life as an outsider!
that is fascinating - I really misunderstood that!
February 5, 2026 at 1:51 AM
that is fascinating - I really misunderstood that!
he probably does the rock thing and is Captain Cod lol
when I was really serious about sports I ate nothing but chicken breast, broccoli and brown rice for dinner for like a year cause it was cheap and fit my macros
when I was really serious about sports I ate nothing but chicken breast, broccoli and brown rice for dinner for like a year cause it was cheap and fit my macros
February 5, 2026 at 1:19 AM
he probably does the rock thing and is Captain Cod lol
when I was really serious about sports I ate nothing but chicken breast, broccoli and brown rice for dinner for like a year cause it was cheap and fit my macros
when I was really serious about sports I ate nothing but chicken breast, broccoli and brown rice for dinner for like a year cause it was cheap and fit my macros