you should come on Andata Plaza and read some of this stuff Saturday!

other people in the movement were negatively polarizing against *all* sex, all women, all sensual pleasure, you couldn't argue against them and defend a weird set of fine-grained distinctions around butt stuff at the same time. you're not gonna die on this hill right? diddyahh blud

you could have done so if people in healthy homosexual relationships pressed the distinction and you were determined to follow the command about the mote in your brother's eye etc. but instead you negatively polarized, which the Church Fathers spent as much time doing as any "radical" movement today

it's not specific words that are conflated - most people can't remember what specific Tumblrism first convinced them "the left has gone too far" either - but the narrative around them

I think the conflation happening here is analogous to the one identifying every cringe woke person/take you've seen on the internet with the Democrats

it is just as weird that a Chinese Room could work as that a LLM could work, and it is frankly weirder that a non-comprehending Chinese Room could work than that a distributed non-biological substrate could achieve comprehension

ok so they could not do those things, which they would be unable to do either way, without engaging in brutality and cruelty. the brutality and cruelty in this model exits the instrumental and enters the personal or moral sphere. maybe I would fail the same test, and then I would go to Hell.

the meat could achieve more or less the same allostasis if it did either of these things though, give or take a degree more risk whose significance is more psychoanalytic (real) than biological.

ok but this does not force anybody to kill innocent people. this at most forces someone to make an unwelcome tradeoff between "ignore useless orders" and "pointlessly kill innocent people". at the end of the day moral agency exists or liberalism is fake.

incentives have nothing to do with it other than excuses, they're signals we use to search the "most likely to maintain homeostasis" strategy in order to avoid searching the "most likely to realize our values" strategies.

ok this is where my performative self-flagellation and my moral standards on others are actually aligned bc 1) Israel could have chosen an arbitrary # of strategies for neutralizing Hamas other than levelling Gaza 2) I could have chosen an # number of strategies other than sitting here posting

I haven't posited a "national essence", I said Graves was wrong in doing so.

>Donald Trump constantly threatens to make Canada the 51st state and if I am enlisted into war against the US I will not arbitrarily kill American civilians, which include some of my best friends, for fun
>beyond this you have every right to condemn my failure to realize my own values within History

well that's useless in a historical condition where 90% of violence is wielded by states and there is no condition of "brotherly love" between states let alone non-state actors.

>implying the contemporary woke Hellenistic pagan isn't a partisan of the chthonic gods over the Olympian rapists
>implying that isn't a good thing

>makes brotherly love and mercy head list of moral virtues
>kills ~70k minimum over ~1k