Matthew Hodgson
@arathorn.net
project lead matrix.org | CEO/CTO Element
yup. for instance, the deltachat folks are currently trying to differentiate from Matrix by saying that they have never needed a coordinated proto update… as all their clients use the same impl: delta.chat/en/2025-08-0.... So now I know how the XMPP folks felt, in terms of questionable comparisons.
September 7, 2025 at 12:29 AM
yup. for instance, the deltachat folks are currently trying to differentiate from Matrix by saying that they have never needed a coordinated proto update… as all their clients use the same impl: delta.chat/en/2025-08-0.... So now I know how the XMPP folks felt, in terms of questionable comparisons.
On the plus side, I’m not aware of much/any anti-XMPP sentiment on the Matrix side (other than that the perception from back in 2014): the competition is very unambiguously centralised proprietary chat/voip providers, rather than other open source/standard msging protocols.
September 7, 2025 at 12:21 AM
On the plus side, I’m not aware of much/any anti-XMPP sentiment on the Matrix side (other than that the perception from back in 2014): the competition is very unambiguously centralised proprietary chat/voip providers, rather than other open source/standard msging protocols.
However, the damage was done, and to this day there is *incredible* hostility from some XMPP folks (which may have happened anyway, i guess), blaming us for diluting work on open IM protocols. This does seem to be factional, sadly, and is reminiscent of the AP v ATP grief.
September 7, 2025 at 12:19 AM
However, the damage was done, and to this day there is *incredible* hostility from some XMPP folks (which may have happened anyway, i guess), blaming us for diluting work on open IM protocols. This does seem to be factional, sadly, and is reminiscent of the AP v ATP grief.
It’s more nuanced, sadly: in the very beginning of Matrix (Sep 2014), I did position it as a reaction to XMPP… because that was what it was. This caused extreme irritation with XMPP fans, which in retrospect could & should have been avoided. We consciously stopped making the comparison in ~Dec 2014.
September 7, 2025 at 12:16 AM
It’s more nuanced, sadly: in the very beginning of Matrix (Sep 2014), I did position it as a reaction to XMPP… because that was what it was. This caused extreme irritation with XMPP fans, which in retrospect could & should have been avoided. We consciously stopped making the comparison in ~Dec 2014.
we need one of these for Matrix & XMPP too :) (and probably Linux & *BSD. and vi and emacs…)
September 7, 2025 at 12:05 AM
we need one of these for Matrix & XMPP too :) (and probably Linux & *BSD. and vi and emacs…)
status.matrix.org/incidents/8g... - we’re having to restore the broken rooms from backup, which is taking a while; sorry.
Actions such as message sending or invites is failing in a small subset of rooms
Matrix's Status Page - Actions such as message sending or invites is failing in a small subset of rooms.
status.matrix.org
July 5, 2025 at 11:17 PM
status.matrix.org/incidents/8g... - we’re having to restore the broken rooms from backup, which is taking a while; sorry.