I've written about them both, here:
andybell2000.com/2023/05/16/m...
And here:
andybell2000.com/2023/05/16/r...
I've written about them both, here:
andybell2000.com/2023/05/16/m...
And here:
andybell2000.com/2023/05/16/r...
andybell2000.com/2025/03/07/m...
andybell2000.com/2025/03/07/m...
andybell2000.com/2023/05/16/c...
andybell2000.com/2023/05/16/c...