I used to be almost flexible enough for the other way to do it 'just the tip' kinda deal. But it's just not the same. And the flex is long gone

Wait, yeah, actually lol, guess that's been there done that for you

Dissociate a little harder and you can, sort of

Imagine Ronald Reagan trying to ratfuck unions without any lips. I'm not saying it's impossible I'm just saying it's unlikely