But you see how many levels of speculation we’re at…
November 1, 2025 at 9:46 PM
But you see how many levels of speculation we’re at…
And whereas some countries become self-destructively insane facing a migrant influx (Europe with Syrians, the US now, the UK doing Brexit), Judah seems to have managed to harness the pop. bump to become more regionally powerful. So that is maybe some evidence that Israelites assimilated decently.
November 1, 2025 at 9:37 PM
And whereas some countries become self-destructively insane facing a migrant influx (Europe with Syrians, the US now, the UK doing Brexit), Judah seems to have managed to harness the pop. bump to become more regionally powerful. So that is maybe some evidence that Israelites assimilated decently.
That’s very true, which is why it only works if the Judahite narratives that tie themselves to Israel already exist. I think of it like if for some reason East Germany had to take in a bunch of West German refugees compared to how’d they’d react if they were Polish refugees.
November 1, 2025 at 9:37 PM
That’s very true, which is why it only works if the Judahite narratives that tie themselves to Israel already exist. I think of it like if for some reason East Germany had to take in a bunch of West German refugees compared to how’d they’d react if they were Polish refugees.
But both sides at that moment only need to feel like the other side’s stories about their relationship to their shared god reveal some truth about that relationship to decide to redact their stories together. Who is giving ground to whom is what makes the redaction hard to place historically.
November 1, 2025 at 9:23 PM
But both sides at that moment only need to feel like the other side’s stories about their relationship to their shared god reveal some truth about that relationship to decide to redact their stories together. Who is giving ground to whom is what makes the redaction hard to place historically.
The southern elite feel like they’ve finally got the northerners to see them as they see themselves, while the northern elite are in no position to reject the epic’s overall southern viewpoint. This all happens before Judah sees the economic and political boom from the sudden population increase.
November 1, 2025 at 9:09 PM
The southern elite feel like they’ve finally got the northerners to see them as they see themselves, while the northern elite are in no position to reject the epic’s overall southern viewpoint. This all happens before Judah sees the economic and political boom from the sudden population increase.
they both decide it’s in everyone’s long-term interest to come up with a standardized ecumenical version of how their god revealed itself to their ancestors. There are enough analogous stories that it seems like they’re just filling in gaps in the same framework, so no one’s stories win or lose.
November 1, 2025 at 9:09 PM
they both decide it’s in everyone’s long-term interest to come up with a standardized ecumenical version of how their god revealed itself to their ancestors. There are enough analogous stories that it seems like they’re just filling in gaps in the same framework, so no one’s stories win or lose.
In my mental model, Judahite elites might genuinely just find Israelite elites *cool*, but Judahites certainly think Israelites serve the same god and are closely related somehow. They both have different tales about this god but now that Israel has fled to Judah,
November 1, 2025 at 9:09 PM
In my mental model, Judahite elites might genuinely just find Israelite elites *cool*, but Judahites certainly think Israelites serve the same god and are closely related somehow. They both have different tales about this god but now that Israel has fled to Judah,
Yeah it’s not something I’d personally recommend you add to a paper that’s not about that haha - there just isn’t enough to go off of to make a clear case. Maybe just do a small lit review of possibilities?
November 1, 2025 at 7:54 PM
Yeah it’s not something I’d personally recommend you add to a paper that’s not about that haha - there just isn’t enough to go off of to make a clear case. Maybe just do a small lit review of possibilities?
Yeah super speculative, and it is clear that Israel dominates Judah culturally so the N to S direction of influence makes sense too. Personally I think a lot of the theological reconciliation comes during the chaos & refugee crisis immediately after the destruction of Israel.
November 1, 2025 at 4:32 PM
Yeah super speculative, and it is clear that Israel dominates Judah culturally so the N to S direction of influence makes sense too. Personally I think a lot of the theological reconciliation comes during the chaos & refugee crisis immediately after the destruction of Israel.
This is contentious! The Kenite hypothesis argues that Yahwism came from the south up.
November 1, 2025 at 4:10 PM
This is contentious! The Kenite hypothesis argues that Yahwism came from the south up.
“If you agree with the non-Jews killed by Nazis for blood quantum on their Jewish identity you’re dishonoring their memory” man the only thing you disagree with fascists on is the aesthetics.
November 1, 2025 at 3:57 PM
“If you agree with the non-Jews killed by Nazis for blood quantum on their Jewish identity you’re dishonoring their memory” man the only thing you disagree with fascists on is the aesthetics.
“If you agree with Karl Marx that he wasn’t Jewish you’re a groyper” do you fucking hear yourself
November 1, 2025 at 3:39 PM
“If you agree with Karl Marx that he wasn’t Jewish you’re a groyper” do you fucking hear yourself
That’s an active practitioner of another religion
November 1, 2025 at 3:25 PM
That’s an active practitioner of another religion
My definition is: a.) do you claim to be Jewish? b.) do you not actively practice another religion? c.) do you have a Jewish parent or a conversion recognized by any community? If yes for all 3, Jew. It’s quite inclusive. Marx fails point a.
November 1, 2025 at 3:17 PM
My definition is: a.) do you claim to be Jewish? b.) do you not actively practice another religion? c.) do you have a Jewish parent or a conversion recognized by any community? If yes for all 3, Jew. It’s quite inclusive. Marx fails point a.
Traditionally yes, but that is a definition for the application of ritual laws. That would exclude a lot of victims of antisemitism so Israel, which sees itself as a refuge from antisemitism, uses a broader definition.
November 1, 2025 at 3:11 PM
Traditionally yes, but that is a definition for the application of ritual laws. That would exclude a lot of victims of antisemitism so Israel, which sees itself as a refuge from antisemitism, uses a broader definition.
No I said I know what I’m talking about but he brought up something that had nothing to do with it that I didn’t know about and I said as much. I’ll take this idiotic response as you admitting that a random aside about liberation theology was completely unrelated to the conversation at hand. Thanks.
November 1, 2025 at 3:02 PM
No I said I know what I’m talking about but he brought up something that had nothing to do with it that I didn’t know about and I said as much. I’ll take this idiotic response as you admitting that a random aside about liberation theology was completely unrelated to the conversation at hand. Thanks.
Man it’s pretty funny how you’re relatively reasonable in the replies but you have to be an ass when you quote tweet. You could have a conversation but you found something you could sic your followers on and chose to do that instead.
November 1, 2025 at 3:01 PM
Man it’s pretty funny how you’re relatively reasonable in the replies but you have to be an ass when you quote tweet. You could have a conversation but you found something you could sic your followers on and chose to do that instead.
I‘ll concede that if you can tell me what potential antisemitism in liberation theology has to do with whether or not Karl Marx was Jewish.
November 1, 2025 at 2:44 PM
I‘ll concede that if you can tell me what potential antisemitism in liberation theology has to do with whether or not Karl Marx was Jewish.
That they wouldn’t take it is a different question than whether they could qualify for it.
November 1, 2025 at 2:34 PM
That they wouldn’t take it is a different question than whether they could qualify for it.
Israel uses the “might experience antisemitism” definition you use. It’s very funny that you keep calling that an anti-Zionist position.
November 1, 2025 at 2:30 PM
Israel uses the “might experience antisemitism” definition you use. It’s very funny that you keep calling that an anti-Zionist position.
That’s not actually the case though, they would be. If for whatever reason one of your anti-Zionist Jewish friends needed Israeli citizenship they could get it. There’s no “needs to be a Zionist” provision. Many Haredim are anti-Zionist or non-Zionist and get citizenship just fine.
November 1, 2025 at 2:28 PM
That’s not actually the case though, they would be. If for whatever reason one of your anti-Zionist Jewish friends needed Israeli citizenship they could get it. There’s no “needs to be a Zionist” provision. Many Haredim are anti-Zionist or non-Zionist and get citizenship just fine.
I mean yeah that’s why Israel uses the Nuremberg laws as its criteria for qualifying for the Law of Return, but practically that means some non-Jews can take refuge there from antisemitic violence. They’re still non-Jews. At a certain point you have to trust what a person says about themselves.
November 1, 2025 at 2:18 PM
I mean yeah that’s why Israel uses the Nuremberg laws as its criteria for qualifying for the Law of Return, but practically that means some non-Jews can take refuge there from antisemitic violence. They’re still non-Jews. At a certain point you have to trust what a person says about themselves.
By defining “Jew” as anyone who has experienced antisemitism, you let antisemites define Jews instead of Jews. Surely you see some problems here. Marx did not claim to be Jewish, and when he talked about Jews he had the same prejudices as the gentile society he lived in.
November 1, 2025 at 1:34 PM
By defining “Jew” as anyone who has experienced antisemitism, you let antisemites define Jews instead of Jews. Surely you see some problems here. Marx did not claim to be Jewish, and when he talked about Jews he had the same prejudices as the gentile society he lived in.
I’m not gonna lie, I ain’t reading all that, but from that paragraph I’m not sure you can read? The image says “there was an antisemitic undercurrent in liberation theology that liberation theologians are striving to correct [but it’s wrong to single them out],” which fits Ephraim’s interpretation?
November 1, 2025 at 1:21 PM
I’m not gonna lie, I ain’t reading all that, but from that paragraph I’m not sure you can read? The image says “there was an antisemitic undercurrent in liberation theology that liberation theologians are striving to correct [but it’s wrong to single them out],” which fits Ephraim’s interpretation?