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Would you agree our wilful extermination of other beings is a grave injustice?
"Firstly, global dietary patterns need to move towards more plant-heavy diets, mainly due to the disproportionate impact of animal agriculture on biodiversity, land use and the environment."
www.unep.org/news-and-sto...
"Firstly, global dietary patterns need to move towards more plant-heavy diets, mainly due to the disproportionate impact of animal agriculture on biodiversity, land use and the environment."
www.unep.org/news-and-sto...
Our global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss
A new Chatham House report highlights that the global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss. Biodiversity loss will continue to accelerate, unless we change the way we produce food. F...
www.unep.org
February 19, 2026 at 2:06 PM
Would you agree our wilful extermination of other beings is a grave injustice?
"Firstly, global dietary patterns need to move towards more plant-heavy diets, mainly due to the disproportionate impact of animal agriculture on biodiversity, land use and the environment."
www.unep.org/news-and-sto...
"Firstly, global dietary patterns need to move towards more plant-heavy diets, mainly due to the disproportionate impact of animal agriculture on biodiversity, land use and the environment."
www.unep.org/news-and-sto...
I don't know how scientific findings constitute a false equivalency. We don't in fact need to use and harm animals.
Notions of right and wrong precede religion and don't require it. If they were written in stone, slaves and women would still be property.
Subdual, fear and dread; this is tyranny.
Notions of right and wrong precede religion and don't require it. If they were written in stone, slaves and women would still be property.
Subdual, fear and dread; this is tyranny.
February 19, 2026 at 1:59 PM
I don't know how scientific findings constitute a false equivalency. We don't in fact need to use and harm animals.
Notions of right and wrong precede religion and don't require it. If they were written in stone, slaves and women would still be property.
Subdual, fear and dread; this is tyranny.
Notions of right and wrong precede religion and don't require it. If they were written in stone, slaves and women would still be property.
Subdual, fear and dread; this is tyranny.
I don't think integrity, respect and kindness should feel oppressive. It should feel liberating.
Do you really believe such freedom should be absolute? You wouldn't if it were you being oppressed, abused physically and emotionally, and cut into pieces when they are done with you.
It's solipsist.
Do you really believe such freedom should be absolute? You wouldn't if it were you being oppressed, abused physically and emotionally, and cut into pieces when they are done with you.
It's solipsist.
February 19, 2026 at 11:44 AM
I don't think integrity, respect and kindness should feel oppressive. It should feel liberating.
Do you really believe such freedom should be absolute? You wouldn't if it were you being oppressed, abused physically and emotionally, and cut into pieces when they are done with you.
It's solipsist.
Do you really believe such freedom should be absolute? You wouldn't if it were you being oppressed, abused physically and emotionally, and cut into pieces when they are done with you.
It's solipsist.
The ourworldindata link I shared is quite clear the 1/4 doesn't entail making up for anything. We're using 4 times as much land as we need to.
Should we take our morality from self-serving religious works? The Bible has been used to justify slavery and patriarchy alike.
Think for yourself.
Should we take our morality from self-serving religious works? The Bible has been used to justify slavery and patriarchy alike.
Think for yourself.
February 18, 2026 at 11:51 AM
The ourworldindata link I shared is quite clear the 1/4 doesn't entail making up for anything. We're using 4 times as much land as we need to.
Should we take our morality from self-serving religious works? The Bible has been used to justify slavery and patriarchy alike.
Think for yourself.
Should we take our morality from self-serving religious works? The Bible has been used to justify slavery and patriarchy alike.
Think for yourself.
May I ask why you're ignoring and contradicting the scientific evidence? We'd only need 1/4 of the land currently used for agriculture, and a plant-only diet is recognized is being healthful.
Chimpanzees are mostly frugivores. But saying it's moral bc another animal does it is a fallacy.
Chimpanzees are mostly frugivores. But saying it's moral bc another animal does it is a fallacy.
February 18, 2026 at 8:47 AM
May I ask why you're ignoring and contradicting the scientific evidence? We'd only need 1/4 of the land currently used for agriculture, and a plant-only diet is recognized is being healthful.
Chimpanzees are mostly frugivores. But saying it's moral bc another animal does it is a fallacy.
Chimpanzees are mostly frugivores. But saying it's moral bc another animal does it is a fallacy.
It's neither necessary or efficient.
"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."
"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."
February 17, 2026 at 8:46 PM
It's neither necessary or efficient.
"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."
"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."
Why would a reduction be deemed necessary if no one is eating a meat-rich diet? What would be the point of the article, and why are we violently killing trillions of beings each year?
Surely you're interpreting it to your own liking. Did you not read the title?
Surely you're interpreting it to your own liking. Did you not read the title?
February 17, 2026 at 8:43 PM
Why would a reduction be deemed necessary if no one is eating a meat-rich diet? What would be the point of the article, and why are we violently killing trillions of beings each year?
Surely you're interpreting it to your own liking. Did you not read the title?
Surely you're interpreting it to your own liking. Did you not read the title?
So personal freedom is more important than whether or not that freedom is used to harm others?
What we do to other animals implies a belief in might making right.
The implication of the climate and biodiversity crises is that ppl are actively compromising each other's future.
This is significant.
What we do to other animals implies a belief in might making right.
The implication of the climate and biodiversity crises is that ppl are actively compromising each other's future.
This is significant.
February 17, 2026 at 8:26 PM
So personal freedom is more important than whether or not that freedom is used to harm others?
What we do to other animals implies a belief in might making right.
The implication of the climate and biodiversity crises is that ppl are actively compromising each other's future.
This is significant.
What we do to other animals implies a belief in might making right.
The implication of the climate and biodiversity crises is that ppl are actively compromising each other's future.
This is significant.
How is that likely when no one wants to talk about it?
The herds you mention are gone 'because' of animal agriculture. We violently oppress and kill their descendants by the billions each year. Only 5% of mammalian biomass is made up of animals living freely.
www.unep.org/news-and-sto...
The herds you mention are gone 'because' of animal agriculture. We violently oppress and kill their descendants by the billions each year. Only 5% of mammalian biomass is made up of animals living freely.
www.unep.org/news-and-sto...
Our global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss
A new Chatham House report highlights that the global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss. Biodiversity loss will continue to accelerate, unless we change the way we produce food. ...
www.unep.org
February 17, 2026 at 8:22 PM
How is that likely when no one wants to talk about it?
The herds you mention are gone 'because' of animal agriculture. We violently oppress and kill their descendants by the billions each year. Only 5% of mammalian biomass is made up of animals living freely.
www.unep.org/news-and-sto...
The herds you mention are gone 'because' of animal agriculture. We violently oppress and kill their descendants by the billions each year. Only 5% of mammalian biomass is made up of animals living freely.
www.unep.org/news-and-sto...
"Detailed analysis finds plant diets lead to 75% less climate-heating emissions, water pollution and land use than meat-rich ones"
www.theguardian.com/environment/...
www.theguardian.com/environment/...
Vegan diet massively cuts environmental damage, study shows
Detailed analysis finds plant diets lead to 75% less climate-heating emissions, water pollution and land use than meat-rich ones
www.theguardian.com
February 17, 2026 at 7:56 PM
"Detailed analysis finds plant diets lead to 75% less climate-heating emissions, water pollution and land use than meat-rich ones"
www.theguardian.com/environment/...
www.theguardian.com/environment/...
Aren't you ignoring the entire process that precedes ingestion? The opposite of what you're saying is true.
Animal agriculture is grossly inefficient, requiring many times the land, plants, water etc. to feed the same amount of ppl compared to plant-based diets.
ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
Animal agriculture is grossly inefficient, requiring many times the land, plants, water etc. to feed the same amount of ppl compared to plant-based diets.
ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
If the world adopted a plant-based diet, we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares
We could reduce the amount of land used for grazing and croplands used to grow animal feed.
ourworldindata.org
February 17, 2026 at 7:54 PM
Aren't you ignoring the entire process that precedes ingestion? The opposite of what you're saying is true.
Animal agriculture is grossly inefficient, requiring many times the land, plants, water etc. to feed the same amount of ppl compared to plant-based diets.
ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
Animal agriculture is grossly inefficient, requiring many times the land, plants, water etc. to feed the same amount of ppl compared to plant-based diets.
ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
Surely the takeaway is that there's no ethics when it comes to mass violence.
"Animal welfarism is a sophisticated strategy to divert our attention from pursuing truly compassionate goals and social justice for animals, into making people feel good about consuming animal products." - John Sorensen
"Animal welfarism is a sophisticated strategy to divert our attention from pursuing truly compassionate goals and social justice for animals, into making people feel good about consuming animal products." - John Sorensen
February 12, 2026 at 2:32 PM
Surely the takeaway is that there's no ethics when it comes to mass violence.
"Animal welfarism is a sophisticated strategy to divert our attention from pursuing truly compassionate goals and social justice for animals, into making people feel good about consuming animal products." - John Sorensen
"Animal welfarism is a sophisticated strategy to divert our attention from pursuing truly compassionate goals and social justice for animals, into making people feel good about consuming animal products." - John Sorensen
Fishes are intelligent and emotionally complex. They're not things, they're someone.
Considering we kill them by the trillions each year, such comments aren't just ignorant.
youtu.be/S0--HgyKg_s?...
Considering we kill them by the trillions each year, such comments aren't just ignorant.
youtu.be/S0--HgyKg_s?...
(2016) What A Fish Knows, The Inner Lives of Our Underwater Cousins, Jonathan Balcombe
YouTube video by Zoocheck
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February 7, 2026 at 12:01 AM
Fishes are intelligent and emotionally complex. They're not things, they're someone.
Considering we kill them by the trillions each year, such comments aren't just ignorant.
youtu.be/S0--HgyKg_s?...
Considering we kill them by the trillions each year, such comments aren't just ignorant.
youtu.be/S0--HgyKg_s?...
The language we use is self-serving, and obscures the nature of our relation to other animals. We took them captive in order to exploit their bodies and their labor.
It's not wild as opposed to domesticated. It's free as opposed to enslaved.
Raccoons will lose both freedom and dignity.
It's not wild as opposed to domesticated. It's free as opposed to enslaved.
Raccoons will lose both freedom and dignity.
January 24, 2026 at 11:33 PM
The language we use is self-serving, and obscures the nature of our relation to other animals. We took them captive in order to exploit their bodies and their labor.
It's not wild as opposed to domesticated. It's free as opposed to enslaved.
Raccoons will lose both freedom and dignity.
It's not wild as opposed to domesticated. It's free as opposed to enslaved.
Raccoons will lose both freedom and dignity.
We live in a world where disability is seen as inherently negative, Hugo, but is it?
youtu.be/1RokWAuCkVw?...
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Animal & Disability Liberation - with Sunaura Taylor
YouTube video by just wondering...
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January 24, 2026 at 12:57 AM
We live in a world where disability is seen as inherently negative, Hugo, but is it?
youtu.be/1RokWAuCkVw?...
youtu.be/1RokWAuCkVw?...
We might ask how they could have consented to it in the 1000s of years before artificial insemination, or can now in the latter's absence.
It's always been their human 'masters' who decided who mated with who, not they themselves.
Sexual violence is foundational to the animal system.
It's always been their human 'masters' who decided who mated with who, not they themselves.
Sexual violence is foundational to the animal system.
January 22, 2026 at 6:42 AM
We might ask how they could have consented to it in the 1000s of years before artificial insemination, or can now in the latter's absence.
It's always been their human 'masters' who decided who mated with who, not they themselves.
Sexual violence is foundational to the animal system.
It's always been their human 'masters' who decided who mated with who, not they themselves.
Sexual violence is foundational to the animal system.
"Pruetz adds that the paper illustrates the need for enrichment for the welfare of cattle."
That's always the takeaway, isn't it? Other animals may be cognitively complex individuals, but it's still taken for granted that we can use them and take their lives them with impunity.
That's always the takeaway, isn't it? Other animals may be cognitively complex individuals, but it's still taken for granted that we can use them and take their lives them with impunity.
January 20, 2026 at 9:09 PM
"Pruetz adds that the paper illustrates the need for enrichment for the welfare of cattle."
That's always the takeaway, isn't it? Other animals may be cognitively complex individuals, but it's still taken for granted that we can use them and take their lives them with impunity.
That's always the takeaway, isn't it? Other animals may be cognitively complex individuals, but it's still taken for granted that we can use them and take their lives them with impunity.
RaceFans consistently obfuscate what's happening in Gaza.
They haven't reported on the sport's connection to companies profiting from the occupation and genocide either.
It's the same with Hamilton, which make this video especially disturbing, as he's indirectly profiting from it himself.
They haven't reported on the sport's connection to companies profiting from the occupation and genocide either.
It's the same with Hamilton, which make this video especially disturbing, as he's indirectly profiting from it himself.
January 20, 2026 at 6:26 PM
RaceFans consistently obfuscate what's happening in Gaza.
They haven't reported on the sport's connection to companies profiting from the occupation and genocide either.
It's the same with Hamilton, which make this video especially disturbing, as he's indirectly profiting from it himself.
They haven't reported on the sport's connection to companies profiting from the occupation and genocide either.
It's the same with Hamilton, which make this video especially disturbing, as he's indirectly profiting from it himself.
That can be applied to our species as a whole.
We kill up to three trillion conscious beings for food alone, needlessly, each year. The animal system at the same being the leading driver of species extinction, which is an existential risk to us as well, even more so than climate change.
We kill up to three trillion conscious beings for food alone, needlessly, each year. The animal system at the same being the leading driver of species extinction, which is an existential risk to us as well, even more so than climate change.
Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets - PubMed
It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the li …
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
January 16, 2026 at 11:49 PM
That can be applied to our species as a whole.
We kill up to three trillion conscious beings for food alone, needlessly, each year. The animal system at the same being the leading driver of species extinction, which is an existential risk to us as well, even more so than climate change.
We kill up to three trillion conscious beings for food alone, needlessly, each year. The animal system at the same being the leading driver of species extinction, which is an existential risk to us as well, even more so than climate change.
Why has @wholesomegames.com chosen to create a game that obscures and normalizes a system of exploitation and mass violence?
What gives us a right to their bodies, and their lives?
What gives us a right to their bodies, and their lives?
January 15, 2026 at 11:41 PM
Why has @wholesomegames.com chosen to create a game that obscures and normalizes a system of exploitation and mass violence?
What gives us a right to their bodies, and their lives?
What gives us a right to their bodies, and their lives?
A cow lactates in order to feed her baby, who we take from her shortly after birth so we can have her milk for ourselves.
This happens to her year after year, being forcibly impregnated to keep lactating, until her body can't take it anymore at 6 years of age, and her life is taken from her. 1/2
This happens to her year after year, being forcibly impregnated to keep lactating, until her body can't take it anymore at 6 years of age, and her life is taken from her. 1/2
January 15, 2026 at 11:36 PM
A cow lactates in order to feed her baby, who we take from her shortly after birth so we can have her milk for ourselves.
This happens to her year after year, being forcibly impregnated to keep lactating, until her body can't take it anymore at 6 years of age, and her life is taken from her. 1/2
This happens to her year after year, being forcibly impregnated to keep lactating, until her body can't take it anymore at 6 years of age, and her life is taken from her. 1/2
Friend, I bear you no ill will, but we can't keep going in circles.
If we choose to condone and endorse systems of violence and oppression, we should ask ourselves what kind of ideology we're subscribing too, as I have.
Supremacism originates at the human-animal divide.
youtu.be/lj8E9R06JoQ?...
If we choose to condone and endorse systems of violence and oppression, we should ask ourselves what kind of ideology we're subscribing too, as I have.
Supremacism originates at the human-animal divide.
youtu.be/lj8E9R06JoQ?...
John Sanbonmatsu "Rethinking Totality and Totalitarianism in Human Domination"
YouTube video by Котики и коровы: критические исследования животных
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January 15, 2026 at 6:58 PM
Friend, I bear you no ill will, but we can't keep going in circles.
If we choose to condone and endorse systems of violence and oppression, we should ask ourselves what kind of ideology we're subscribing too, as I have.
Supremacism originates at the human-animal divide.
youtu.be/lj8E9R06JoQ?...
If we choose to condone and endorse systems of violence and oppression, we should ask ourselves what kind of ideology we're subscribing too, as I have.
Supremacism originates at the human-animal divide.
youtu.be/lj8E9R06JoQ?...
I've been defining it as Moore did, but you don't seem to understand it. You invoked the food chain (i.e. it's okay because it's a fact of nature) to say we don't need to include the individuals we harm into our 'moral circle'.
January 15, 2026 at 5:36 AM
I've been defining it as Moore did, but you don't seem to understand it. You invoked the food chain (i.e. it's okay because it's a fact of nature) to say we don't need to include the individuals we harm into our 'moral circle'.
I've been defining the fallacy for a number of comments now, but it's not registering.
I didn't say there's nothing wrong with it, I said it's not immoral for them to do what they have to.
You asked the question as a moral argument (from nature) against Monbiot's ethical statement.
I didn't say there's nothing wrong with it, I said it's not immoral for them to do what they have to.
You asked the question as a moral argument (from nature) against Monbiot's ethical statement.
January 14, 2026 at 11:01 PM
I've been defining the fallacy for a number of comments now, but it's not registering.
I didn't say there's nothing wrong with it, I said it's not immoral for them to do what they have to.
You asked the question as a moral argument (from nature) against Monbiot's ethical statement.
I didn't say there's nothing wrong with it, I said it's not immoral for them to do what they have to.
You asked the question as a moral argument (from nature) against Monbiot's ethical statement.