Real justice for the victims means the whole, unedited truth, not just guesses.

Since they’re finally pushing for all of Epstein’s files to be released – and it’s the law now thanks to Trump – it’s a major reminder that we need accountability from everyone, not just in court, but from those who might have looked the other way.

Rochard: I don’t know if he was aware. Actually, I can’t answer that. I’m sorry.

This convo really shows Epstein’s network still has a big impact, leaving survivors like Rochard with tough questions about what powerful people knew.

Think about how some people are in trouble just for bantering with him or getting benefits from him at some broad level, totally unrelated to, say, his island. Here, Bannon is aware of how much trouble Epstein is in and how much criticism there is of his past conduct, and he wants to help him.

Those messages matching Bannon’s phone number, according to Guardian reporting, when his name is not technically listed in those. Now Bannon emailed about secretly trying to help Epstein redeem his reputation.

Now that may sound like dramatic rhetoric, but it wasn’t drama. Bannon got the drift and asked about, quote, access that’s not the front door. He even cited what he believed was 24-7 surveillance on Epstein. Then Epstein offered a hidden rear entrance where someone would let Bannon in.

Epstein lived in a grand townhouse near Central Park. The two men knew Epstein was so politically toxic and embarrassing then that they actually furtively hid Bannon’s arrival. Epstein emailing, I’m in New York tonight through Saturday if you want to visit under the cover of darkness.

...but no one is saying, to be clear, that he’s been accused of an Epstein sex crime. But during a period when Epstein was facing more heat than ever, Bannon got even closer with him. And they hid this potentially embarrassing alliance, that’s their view.

Psaki: And Jeffrey Epstein or someone who worked for him would tell you to go there?

Rochard: No. It was just a place where something was held, a party was held, and people would go to different events.

Rochard: There were a lot of model parties at Mar-a-Lago. Different people would set them up, different magazines. And a limo would come and you’d jump in the limo and you’d go.

served in the White House, ultimately went to prison as punishment for refusing to cooperate with evidence requests for material about Trump, which is really striking.

Top Trump campaign and White House fed Steve Bannon, the firebrand who, remember, chaired Trump's 2016 campaign in the closing stretch when he won, you can see him there back in the day,...

So right now, our new special report focuses on the newly revealed emails, specifically between Epstein, the deceased sex trafficker, and one of the most important people in Donald Trump's orbit, which matters now.

Congress, as you saw, focused on some review and put out some Trump stuff. Then they put out more. There wasn't a big congressional report. This wasn't like the Jan 6 probe. We all witnessed it in real time. It all just sort of flooded out, and then everybody's been making sense of it.

So, in other words, let me put it very clearly. Some Epstein files are already out right now. The 20,000 emails that Congress released last week drove headlines about Trump and many others. But there are also so many thousands it will take longer for a full independent accounting.

Those files, as we've reported, are likely to overlap with newly released Epstein emails that Congress released last week. Any competent investigation would, of course, pursue all of Epstein's emails. That's one of the first things prosecutors do long before they charge and arrest someone.

And in your experience of what you were asked to do, I know that Epstein himself, of course, was a predator. Did you travel to the island?

Rochard: Yes, I did. I was in New York, Miami, and on the island.

Psaki: Did you travel to Mar-a-Lago?