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Mike Tregle
@tregle.bsky.social
DisneyDad, JAG-spouse, old soldier, attorney-esque, adjunct professor of govcon, natsec law practitioner, music & guitar geek. Guitar Player for Lunatic Fringe, @thefringeva on FB & IG. Louisiana Sports. Views mine, not Army, DoD, USG.
“Bad information voter”
November 16, 2024 at 7:22 PM
Of for sure. And I think that’s a feature, not a bug. We’re on the verge of enabling Israel into a regional war with Iran and it’s the IRANIANS who are exercising restraint and avoiding escalation. We have crossed into the upside-down.
November 13, 2024 at 3:05 AM
It’s like every time at this point. How are we so bad at this?
November 13, 2024 at 2:53 AM
Well this certainly didn’t help.
November 13, 2024 at 12:21 AM
As I mentioned in the other thread, the complexity lies in “what is the actual state of the law” once we get to that point. Martial law, suspension of habeas, insurrection act, etc. can change the complexion (not to justify murder; I hyperbolized a little above)
November 12, 2024 at 6:01 PM
Without getting too “it depends-y” on you, I can safely say that an order to violate the law is almost universally unlawful. So if Sergeant Barnes orders you to execute detainees, you’re on fairly solid ground refusing that order.
November 12, 2024 at 5:59 PM
Bingo. Reason # 372 why I won’t sleep well tonight.
November 12, 2024 at 5:54 PM
Thank you for leaving me out of that viewing experience 👍🏼
November 12, 2024 at 5:44 PM
Guard is a very different thing. Fewer guard rails to begin with.
November 12, 2024 at 5:42 PM
I missed that one. And based on your feedback, I think I’ll keep it that way.
November 12, 2024 at 5:40 PM
@heathertregle.bsky.social and I watched the Civil War movie with Kirsten Dunst about two weeks before the election. That (a) was a mistake, and (b) made me want to buy more ammunition. Deeply disturbing for how close it feels to becoming a reality.
November 12, 2024 at 5:37 PM
That being said, there are guard rails built into the system to try to prevent AD military from supporting such things. The question is, how much of the system is still standing by the time we get to that point.
November 12, 2024 at 5:35 PM
It would be uncharted territory in the most terrifying possible meaning of that term.
November 12, 2024 at 5:33 PM
That’s the part of @rpg-volley.bsky.social ‘s question that’s most troubling. We’re contemplating what happens when another USG agency is taking unlawful (or at least morally indefensible) actions against citizens. If BoP goes rogue and starts disappearing people, our rules aren’t written for that.
November 12, 2024 at 5:32 PM
You and me both.
November 12, 2024 at 5:30 PM
I’m trying to formulate a meaningful answer to this but it ends up being the mother of all “it depends” lawyer answers. Many possible permutations based on situation. Short answer, your mission SRUF will define the boundaries of what’s right and wrong.
November 12, 2024 at 5:26 PM
They two “books” are more similar than different. SRUF will have many of the same familiar concepts you learned in ROE briefs - self defense, defense of others, etc. the sources of the rules are just different. in the end, that’s why we do mission-tailored SRUF with mission-tailored training/briefs
November 12, 2024 at 5:24 PM
The rules have always been different: SROE based on LOAC for OCONUS; SRUF based on domestic law for DOMOPS (as one example). The whole system is built on the principal that we don’t want active military operating in the U.S. it’s supposed to be a last resort.
November 12, 2024 at 5:11 PM