Tony Wong
@thevballdude.bsky.social
Interests include content moderation/T&S/platforms, internet culture, buildings/infrastructure/transit, politics, elections, and maps. Oh, and volleyball.
There's probably a thread on this somewhere on Twitter.
(And I'm glad you're writing so much about T&S tonight. I'm assuming it means your body isn't giving you *too* much shit right now)
(And I'm glad you're writing so much about T&S tonight. I'm assuming it means your body isn't giving you *too* much shit right now)
November 15, 2025 at 5:49 AM
There's probably a thread on this somewhere on Twitter.
(And I'm glad you're writing so much about T&S tonight. I'm assuming it means your body isn't giving you *too* much shit right now)
(And I'm glad you're writing so much about T&S tonight. I'm assuming it means your body isn't giving you *too* much shit right now)
Eh I just think he's even more of an idealist than I am, and we like to dream.
(By the way, what are your thoughts on the Santa Clara Principles?)
(By the way, what are your thoughts on the Santa Clara Principles?)
November 15, 2025 at 5:43 AM
Eh I just think he's even more of an idealist than I am, and we like to dream.
(By the way, what are your thoughts on the Santa Clara Principles?)
(By the way, what are your thoughts on the Santa Clara Principles?)
This is why I'm hoping composable choose-your-own moderation would reduce the need for enforcement at the platform level. I know you said it was a shitshow (although I only have a vague idea how), but I've always regarded Bluesky as being an experiment at creating a new type of social network.
November 15, 2025 at 5:04 AM
This is why I'm hoping composable choose-your-own moderation would reduce the need for enforcement at the platform level. I know you said it was a shitshow (although I only have a vague idea how), but I've always regarded Bluesky as being an experiment at creating a new type of social network.
I would say it's more important than "There is some use", but otherwise yeah.
November 15, 2025 at 4:34 AM
I would say it's more important than "There is some use", but otherwise yeah.
Something something Kairi Aegis I guess, but of course you would have a better idea of exactly *how* it was a shitshow better than me.
November 15, 2025 at 4:25 AM
Something something Kairi Aegis I guess, but of course you would have a better idea of exactly *how* it was a shitshow better than me.
On the other hand, I'm a bit surprised at how popular that kind of stuff is (various now-banned subreddits, liveleak etc.)
November 15, 2025 at 4:18 AM
On the other hand, I'm a bit surprised at how popular that kind of stuff is (various now-banned subreddits, liveleak etc.)
Setting that aside, how do you even ensure one person, one vote? Even I, ever the idealist, don't really think elections are workable for online communities (except maybe non-binding polls)
November 15, 2025 at 3:49 AM
Setting that aside, how do you even ensure one person, one vote? Even I, ever the idealist, don't really think elections are workable for online communities (except maybe non-binding polls)
As an aside, Reddit doesn't do this: the user's profile is replaced with a message of course, but posts and comments are not hidden unless they are specifically removed.
November 15, 2025 at 3:42 AM
As an aside, Reddit doesn't do this: the user's profile is replaced with a message of course, but posts and comments are not hidden unless they are specifically removed.
One thing I find annoying is that when an account is suspended, all of their posts are hidden, even those that do not break the rules. I understand why it has to be that way, but that does not make it less annoying to me as an end-user.
November 15, 2025 at 3:39 AM
One thing I find annoying is that when an account is suspended, all of their posts are hidden, even those that do not break the rules. I understand why it has to be that way, but that does not make it less annoying to me as an end-user.
I think outcomes matter too. I've been saying this a lot today, but I really think Bluesky means it when they say they only issue permanent suspensions as a last resort. But people are so used to platforms defaulting to permbans that they don't believe it.
November 15, 2025 at 1:41 AM
I think outcomes matter too. I've been saying this a lot today, but I really think Bluesky means it when they say they only issue permanent suspensions as a last resort. But people are so used to platforms defaulting to permbans that they don't believe it.
Of course. On the other hand, I'm still suprised by the sheer number of users who signed up for now-banned subreddits like r/watchpeopledie, r/gore etc.
November 15, 2025 at 1:31 AM
Of course. On the other hand, I'm still suprised by the sheer number of users who signed up for now-banned subreddits like r/watchpeopledie, r/gore etc.
Ooh don't think I've heard that one before! Hopefully Story Time soon?
November 15, 2025 at 1:23 AM
Ooh don't think I've heard that one before! Hopefully Story Time soon?
IMO a big part of it is people not knowing whether it was a temporary or permanent suspension and reacting as if it was a permaban.
November 14, 2025 at 10:17 PM
IMO a big part of it is people not knowing whether it was a temporary or permanent suspension and reacting as if it was a permaban.
Reposted by Tony Wong
It feels like a lot of disconnect comes from the fact that what makes sense as operable policies for a scaled social media site has low relevance to what makes sense as norms for healthy society, despite our expectation that these should have more of a relationship.
November 14, 2025 at 9:50 PM
It feels like a lot of disconnect comes from the fact that what makes sense as operable policies for a scaled social media site has low relevance to what makes sense as norms for healthy society, despite our expectation that these should have more of a relationship.
I'm not too familiar either. I just vaguely know of it but you can search for yourself
November 14, 2025 at 6:53 PM
I'm not too familiar either. I just vaguely know of it but you can search for yourself
Actually I remember a second exception (Bill Kezos) but maybe that one was a bit more justified
November 14, 2025 at 5:44 PM
Actually I remember a second exception (Bill Kezos) but maybe that one was a bit more justified
Everyone is reacting like it's a permaban cause no one knows for sure that it's not
November 14, 2025 at 5:40 PM
Everyone is reacting like it's a permaban cause no one knows for sure that it's not
They need to specify whether it's a temp or perma ban, but they're working on it
November 14, 2025 at 5:29 PM
They need to specify whether it's a temp or perma ban, but they're working on it
Yeah that's the one notable exception
November 14, 2025 at 5:08 PM
Yeah that's the one notable exception
People are reacting as though it's a permaban because they don't know whether it is or not (probably not but there's no confirmation).
November 14, 2025 at 4:59 PM
People are reacting as though it's a permaban because they don't know whether it is or not (probably not but there's no confirmation).
I've heard people mention this but I don't remember the specific incident
November 14, 2025 at 4:38 PM
I've heard people mention this but I don't remember the specific incident
I think it's simply because "ban" is shorter and easier to type
November 14, 2025 at 4:36 PM
I think it's simply because "ban" is shorter and easier to type
Yeah that really is the one notable exception to "we only permaban as a last resort". It's also not a good look that it happened in the middle of drama involving the CEO.
November 14, 2025 at 4:35 PM
Yeah that really is the one notable exception to "we only permaban as a last resort". It's also not a good look that it happened in the middle of drama involving the CEO.
People are reacting as if it's a permanent suspension, which I agree would be excessive. Which is why Bluesky should specify whether a ban is temporary or permanent (they're working on it though)
November 14, 2025 at 4:31 PM
People are reacting as if it's a permanent suspension, which I agree would be excessive. Which is why Bluesky should specify whether a ban is temporary or permanent (they're working on it though)