The interview is full of sharp analysis and clear insights for resistance in our current moment as well as building the movements that will help bring forth the world we all deserve. Give it a read, and make sure to subscribe to @thefirethesetimes.com wherever you get your podcasts.

This is a long episode so it is divided it in two parts.

Part 1 is out wherever you get your podcasts.

You can also listen to the full episode on Patreon, for free, here www.patreon.com/posts/tftt-1...

Finally, they spoke about “The Holocaust and the Nakba: A New Grammar of Trauma and History”, which Goldberg co-edited with Bashir Bashir, and argue for the necessity of new horizons in our imaginaries.

cup.columbia.edu/book/the-hol...

This is especially relevant with the Gaza genocide as there have been scholars of the Holocaust who have previously argued that no genocides could compare to it, while also being willing to argue that Israel is fighting the new Nazis. Such ahistorical statements are deeply problematic.

Goldberg and Ayoub also got into Hitler's 1939 Reichstag speech to explore how 'intent' has been used to understand genocides historically, and how the legal tradition risks setting back Holocaust and Genocide studies decades.

In this episode of The Fire These Times, Goldberg and Ayoub also got into how genocides are often preceded by claims of self-defense. In fact, claims of self-defense by the party committing genocide are common throughout history. Israel is no exception to this rule. www.patreon.com/posts/tftt-1...

In 2024, Goldberg wrote a paper for the Journal of Genocide Research exploring how the question of ‘intent’ is used in discussions around genocides, including the Gaza one. It's open access.

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10....

Ayman is also host of two amazing podcasts that are part of @fromtheperiphery.com! Politically Depressed (similar themes to that video) as well as the Mutual Aid Podcast @mutualaidpod.bsky.social