Which incense 👀

I don’t want you playing whack-a-mole with all the threads I’ve responded to lmao, so I sent a DM lmao.

Not trying to convince or argue I’m just trying to understand your take on this whole matter

In your view what is theism, then?

Does paganism/animism fit under your view of that? Because if not, then I don’t disagree with you on the underlying problem and how it was co-opted by colonialism to oppress communities.

I work with them all the time. The white folks who run therianthropy platforms often shame those who want to study indigenous paganism, because it conflicts with their beliefs.

That’s literally what the Spanish did when they invaded Mesoamérica and what the fascists are doing now. Do better my dude

If you’re okay being incendiary, then know people will point out what you mean.

I made a point of it because somewhere; there’s a BIPOC who might’ve read this and felt ashamed that they can’t explore their identity through the traditions of their ancestors. These type of individuals still do exist.

It’s such a weird thing to say ngl.

And such a statement can be very incendiary of alienating to folks who are literally here because the monotheistic colonized world told them they cannot spiritually be their animal selves like their ancestors used to be. Condemned.

That’s not helping anyone

Hmmm, maybe just saying a blanket statement of “believing in mythical things is bad for us” when you’re in a community where most people want to turn into their fursona. 🤷

Again, my DMs are open if you’d like we could talk further. I rather prefer to bridge understandings than sow divisions.

when they’re told their spiritual reasons for being furry/therian should be ignored for the betterment of the communities.

This whole Christian “good vs evil” concept the fandom pushes does need to go away, as well as the shame around it. But at least make space for what BIPOC folks pioneered here.

My reason for even being involved in furry or being here arguing is because of spiritual possession by a Mexica (Aztec) spirit, called Nahualism. Wasn’t something I expected to happen in my life at a young age but it did. That comes first to me, not furry.
So respectfully yeah, it does offend people

And yet, it was conservative Christians that got up in and fought the school system to have it removed. But the whole idea of the curriculum was to decolonize all the years of suppressing indigenous rites, and no one worked to rebuild what the zealots struck down. Definitely not the atheists.

If we’re on the subject of California then, they tried to implement the education of indigenous practices as part of the K-12 curriculum as a means of reviving cultural awareness and preservation of indigenous practices.

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Happy to talk this further, but this kind of narrative turns away vulnerable groups I know who would have otherwise agreed with your argument.

If you’re gonna be “all religions are bad” in a space that includes many people who are reconnecting with their indigenous culture, convince me that (oft white) radical atheism isn’t just Colonialism 2.0 lmao.

If you were against monotheism (judeo-Christian theism) it would be one thing but this fandom has a particularly bad history with not respecting the traditions of indigenous people that’ll seem to like, never improve lol

Pushing this view when (particularly BIPOC) paganism/animism practically built half the fandom isn’t the glorious take you think it is, my dude.

I recommend this book as well! A good modern read for learning about nahual principles.

As someone who identifies more with nahualismo than therianthropy to describe my condition to others, love to see this kind of cultural revival!

PAPI