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suggests Lactantius could have confused the names, and does not confirm the statement was actually originally made by Empiricus.
April 11, 2025 at 5:58 PM
suggests Lactantius could have confused the names, and does not confirm the statement was actually originally made by Empiricus.
works to promote his own religion, and historically Christians have not been particularly good at accurately recording the beliefs of others, so I wouldn't rule out that Lactantius either fabricated the statements himself or read them from similarly fabricated literature.
The article merely
The article merely
April 11, 2025 at 5:57 PM
works to promote his own religion, and historically Christians have not been particularly good at accurately recording the beliefs of others, so I wouldn't rule out that Lactantius either fabricated the statements himself or read them from similarly fabricated literature.
The article merely
The article merely
aren't requirements the other religions had for believing in their gods, it's a dismissal of any god failing to satisfy those requirements on the basis of what a "real" god should be like.
The confirmed author of Lactantius also had very clear motivation for introducing pro-Christian bias in his
The confirmed author of Lactantius also had very clear motivation for introducing pro-Christian bias in his
April 11, 2025 at 5:54 PM
aren't requirements the other religions had for believing in their gods, it's a dismissal of any god failing to satisfy those requirements on the basis of what a "real" god should be like.
The confirmed author of Lactantius also had very clear motivation for introducing pro-Christian bias in his
The confirmed author of Lactantius also had very clear motivation for introducing pro-Christian bias in his
Well, first off the format looks strange switching from black to white like that now.
Fundamentally though, I don't really agree with the statement because of how reductive it is towards religions which believed in gods whose powers were not specifically the ones "Epicurus" is discussing. Those
Fundamentally though, I don't really agree with the statement because of how reductive it is towards religions which believed in gods whose powers were not specifically the ones "Epicurus" is discussing. Those
April 11, 2025 at 5:51 PM
Well, first off the format looks strange switching from black to white like that now.
Fundamentally though, I don't really agree with the statement because of how reductive it is towards religions which believed in gods whose powers were not specifically the ones "Epicurus" is discussing. Those
Fundamentally though, I don't really agree with the statement because of how reductive it is towards religions which believed in gods whose powers were not specifically the ones "Epicurus" is discussing. Those
I don't know about you, but I find that philosophical position of Lactantius morally repugnant.
I don't think we should be treating this guy as a moral paragon worth building a philosophy around.
I don't think we should be treating this guy as a moral paragon worth building a philosophy around.
April 11, 2025 at 3:15 PM
I don't know about you, but I find that philosophical position of Lactantius morally repugnant.
I don't think we should be treating this guy as a moral paragon worth building a philosophy around.
I don't think we should be treating this guy as a moral paragon worth building a philosophy around.
"Affection is a sign of weakness, which has no existence in God."
-also Lactantius, in his written work "On the Anger of God".
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0703...
-also Lactantius, in his written work "On the Anger of God".
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0703...
CHURCH FATHERS: On the Anger of God (Lactantius)
Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.
www.newadvent.org
April 11, 2025 at 3:13 PM
"Affection is a sign of weakness, which has no existence in God."
-also Lactantius, in his written work "On the Anger of God".
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0703...
-also Lactantius, in his written work "On the Anger of God".
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0703...
Either this document is a fabrication that misrepresents Epicurus' religion, or the Greek pantheon is with respect to Athena.
April 11, 2025 at 2:57 PM
Either this document is a fabrication that misrepresents Epicurus' religion, or the Greek pantheon is with respect to Athena.
doesn't make much historical sense.
It looks like this particular quote comes from "On the Anger of God" by Lactantius, a Christian who lived in 250-325 CE.
In which Lactantius also claims that Tartarus is the abode of demons who dread the God he discusses.
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0703...
It looks like this particular quote comes from "On the Anger of God" by Lactantius, a Christian who lived in 250-325 CE.
In which Lactantius also claims that Tartarus is the abode of demons who dread the God he discusses.
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0703...
CHURCH FATHERS: On the Anger of God (Lactantius)
Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.
www.newadvent.org
April 11, 2025 at 2:54 PM
doesn't make much historical sense.
It looks like this particular quote comes from "On the Anger of God" by Lactantius, a Christian who lived in 250-325 CE.
In which Lactantius also claims that Tartarus is the abode of demons who dread the God he discusses.
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0703...
It looks like this particular quote comes from "On the Anger of God" by Lactantius, a Christian who lived in 250-325 CE.
In which Lactantius also claims that Tartarus is the abode of demons who dread the God he discusses.
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0703...
Because he (or she) has immortality and other supernatural powers unrelated to specifically 'preventing all evil'?
Epicurus lived in Athens, Greece in 340-270 B.C., he should have been aware of the city's patron goddess Athena's powers being related to wisdom, weaving, and war tactics.
The quote
Epicurus lived in Athens, Greece in 340-270 B.C., he should have been aware of the city's patron goddess Athena's powers being related to wisdom, weaving, and war tactics.
The quote
April 11, 2025 at 2:38 PM
Because he (or she) has immortality and other supernatural powers unrelated to specifically 'preventing all evil'?
Epicurus lived in Athens, Greece in 340-270 B.C., he should have been aware of the city's patron goddess Athena's powers being related to wisdom, weaving, and war tactics.
The quote
Epicurus lived in Athens, Greece in 340-270 B.C., he should have been aware of the city's patron goddess Athena's powers being related to wisdom, weaving, and war tactics.
The quote
Suffice to say that oppressive governments are generally not reasonable about being oppressive and will oppress people because they suspect those people are part of the group they intend to oppress.
If they were reasonable, they would most likely not oppress in the first place.
If they were reasonable, they would most likely not oppress in the first place.
April 11, 2025 at 12:16 AM
Suffice to say that oppressive governments are generally not reasonable about being oppressive and will oppress people because they suspect those people are part of the group they intend to oppress.
If they were reasonable, they would most likely not oppress in the first place.
If they were reasonable, they would most likely not oppress in the first place.
Okay, deleting these posts now because I'd rather not do discussions on a thread full of blocked posts and the only reason I was talking about Nazi Germany at all was because the other poster brought that up first on a thread originally about religion.
April 11, 2025 at 12:13 AM
Okay, deleting these posts now because I'd rather not do discussions on a thread full of blocked posts and the only reason I was talking about Nazi Germany at all was because the other poster brought that up first on a thread originally about religion.
You could say the same thing about Nazis being individual to Germany, if Nazi Germany still existed.
I consider that a huge misuse of the word individual.
I consider that a huge misuse of the word individual.
April 10, 2025 at 10:11 PM
You could say the same thing about Nazis being individual to Germany, if Nazi Germany still existed.
I consider that a huge misuse of the word individual.
I consider that a huge misuse of the word individual.
I don't think a country's law making atheism punishable by death qualifies as 'heavily individualized'.
April 10, 2025 at 10:01 PM
I don't think a country's law making atheism punishable by death qualifies as 'heavily individualized'.
We can also point out examples of Jewish people serving in Nazi armies who were spared the camps because they were active soldiers.
www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt...
www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt...
Lives of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers: Untold Tales of Men of Jewish Descent Who Fought for the Third Reich on JSTOR
They were foot soldiers and officers. They served in the regular army and the Waffen-SS. And, remarkably, they were also Jewish, at least as defined by Hitlerr&#...
www.jstor.org
April 10, 2025 at 9:59 PM
We can also point out examples of Jewish people serving in Nazi armies who were spared the camps because they were active soldiers.
www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt...
www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt...
Converting to Christianity was quite literally Pope XII's condition for not deporting Italian Jewish people to Hitler's concentration camps.
The ones who were sent were those who refused that demand.
The ones who were sent were those who refused that demand.
April 10, 2025 at 9:55 PM
Converting to Christianity was quite literally Pope XII's condition for not deporting Italian Jewish people to Hitler's concentration camps.
The ones who were sent were those who refused that demand.
The ones who were sent were those who refused that demand.
The vast majority of modern governments aren't theocracies.
The majority of the planet is not living under religious oppression, does that make cases of it any less serious?
The majority of the planet is not living under religious oppression, does that make cases of it any less serious?
April 10, 2025 at 9:50 PM
The vast majority of modern governments aren't theocracies.
The majority of the planet is not living under religious oppression, does that make cases of it any less serious?
The majority of the planet is not living under religious oppression, does that make cases of it any less serious?
Hitler was a practicing Catholic and made it very clear he was running a Christian movement in his speeches, so that counts as Christian.
Especially considering the Roman Catholic pope of the time was a collaborator and sent Italian Jewish people to Nazi concentration camps at Hitler's orders.
Especially considering the Roman Catholic pope of the time was a collaborator and sent Italian Jewish people to Nazi concentration camps at Hitler's orders.
April 10, 2025 at 9:48 PM
Hitler was a practicing Catholic and made it very clear he was running a Christian movement in his speeches, so that counts as Christian.
Especially considering the Roman Catholic pope of the time was a collaborator and sent Italian Jewish people to Nazi concentration camps at Hitler's orders.
Especially considering the Roman Catholic pope of the time was a collaborator and sent Italian Jewish people to Nazi concentration camps at Hitler's orders.
oppressive laws and enforcement thereof.
April 10, 2025 at 9:40 PM
oppressive laws and enforcement thereof.
humans require both sexes to reproduce intergenerationally.
Oppressed groups have historically been part of larger towns or cities while being oppressed, if we were to use the definition of oppressed you're putting forth here none of these groups would qualify as being oppressed under historically
Oppressed groups have historically been part of larger towns or cities while being oppressed, if we were to use the definition of oppressed you're putting forth here none of these groups would qualify as being oppressed under historically
April 10, 2025 at 9:39 PM
humans require both sexes to reproduce intergenerationally.
Oppressed groups have historically been part of larger towns or cities while being oppressed, if we were to use the definition of oppressed you're putting forth here none of these groups would qualify as being oppressed under historically
Oppressed groups have historically been part of larger towns or cities while being oppressed, if we were to use the definition of oppressed you're putting forth here none of these groups would qualify as being oppressed under historically
Of course atheists can deny their true beliefs, and if their denial is convincing enough they would be allowed to live under those laws.
But so can Romani, Jewish people, and queer people.
For women, not so much, but neither was there persecuted villages of exclusively women for the simple reason
But so can Romani, Jewish people, and queer people.
For women, not so much, but neither was there persecuted villages of exclusively women for the simple reason
April 10, 2025 at 9:36 PM
Of course atheists can deny their true beliefs, and if their denial is convincing enough they would be allowed to live under those laws.
But so can Romani, Jewish people, and queer people.
For women, not so much, but neither was there persecuted villages of exclusively women for the simple reason
But so can Romani, Jewish people, and queer people.
For women, not so much, but neither was there persecuted villages of exclusively women for the simple reason
Tell me again how atheists are not being oppressed when it's a crime punishable by death in 13 countries.
www.reuters.com/article/life...
www.reuters.com/article/life...
Atheists face death in 13 countries, global discrimination: study
In 13 countries around the world, all of them Muslim, people who openly espouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam face execution under the law, according to a detailed study issued on Tuesday.
www.reuters.com
April 10, 2025 at 9:33 PM
Tell me again how atheists are not being oppressed when it's a crime punishable by death in 13 countries.
www.reuters.com/article/life...
www.reuters.com/article/life...
I'd consider that a fair revision of what Terry said above.
The difference is in the millennia of persecution by Christian and Islamic religions towards atheists.
The difference is in the millennia of persecution by Christian and Islamic religions towards atheists.
April 10, 2025 at 8:53 PM
I'd consider that a fair revision of what Terry said above.
The difference is in the millennia of persecution by Christian and Islamic religions towards atheists.
The difference is in the millennia of persecution by Christian and Islamic religions towards atheists.
