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Samuel Breslow
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Copy Editor of @forward.bsky.social. Follow for posts on (mis)information ecosystems: journalism, Wikipedia, speech issues, etc.
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January 7, 2025 at 5:55 PM
Update: The deletion nomination of the Wikipedia article on Luigi Mangione has failed, so unless the result is overturned (which appears unlikely) it will be kept.
December 22, 2024 at 5:45 AM
I can see the case either way!
December 17, 2024 at 2:02 AM
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You can also read more about why some Wikipedians support or oppose article deletion in this essay: meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deletio...
Deletionism - Meta
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December 17, 2024 at 12:38 AM
The "Killing of Brian Thompson" article, meanwhile, has accrued more than 1.5 million pageviews, with nearly 2,500 edits from nearly 500 different editors. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing...
Killing of Brian Thompson - Wikipedia
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December 17, 2024 at 12:38 AM
My guess is that the Mangione article will ultimately survive the deletion attempt. There's a reasonable way to read the rules that allows for it, and given wiggle room Wikipedians generally find a way to arrive at the common-sense result. But they're in no rush.
December 17, 2024 at 12:38 AM
Some editors interpret this rule to mean that it would be impossible to create a policy-compliant article on Mangione and that there should therefore not be an article.
December 17, 2024 at 12:38 AM
Another wrinkle — Wikipedia wants to avoid libel, so there's a further rule: For non-public figures, "editors must seriously consider not including material — in any article — that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime" without a conviction.
December 17, 2024 at 12:38 AM
This, folks, is the bottom of the rabbit hole. There is no consensus on those questions, and different editors have different views. They're going to debate them in the coming weeks, and until that process concludes, the article will be tagged for deletion.
December 17, 2024 at 12:38 AM
The policy says the significance "is indicated by how persistent the coverage is". That's both murky (How long is needed to qualify as "persistent"?) and unhelpful for recent events (which haven't yet had a chance to persist).
December 17, 2024 at 12:38 AM
Mangione seems to meet (1) and (2). For (3), the assassination was clearly significant if you look only at the current zeitgeist. But from a long-term, world-historical perspective, it's murkier. Will people still care about this in a decade? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons - Wikipedia
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December 17, 2024 at 12:38 AM
Because of this, someone does not get an article if three criteria are met:
1. Sources cover them only in the context of a single event.
2. They otherwise remain low-profile.
3: The event is not significant or their role was either not substantial or not well documented.
December 17, 2024 at 12:38 AM
This rule works remarkably well, but it doesn't work for everything. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia cares about the long term — it wouldn't want an article on every person who's ever committed a major crime, even if it was covered in the news.
December 17, 2024 at 12:38 AM