RUSTic
@rusticvt.bsky.social
Certified Rhombus Brained, boxy buck, rectangular noggin'd, Cube boy'd, ol’ oblong
“Dead” Alchemist VTuber on Twitch
Twitch.tv/rusticisnthere
“Dead” Alchemist VTuber on Twitch
Twitch.tv/rusticisnthere
🗓️》𝗦𝗖𝗛𝗘𝗗𝗨𝗟𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 11/17 - 11/23《🗓️
4 STREAMS AFTER FINALS WEEK!
⛏️Back to streamin’ with Grave/Digger on roblox!🐴
🎄Doing an art and chill stream cause I really wanted to do a lil’ piece for X-Mas!🖌️
🧪Continuin’ Lob Corp and FFXIV as usual! The 2 series streams!🗡️
4 STREAMS AFTER FINALS WEEK!
⛏️Back to streamin’ with Grave/Digger on roblox!🐴
🎄Doing an art and chill stream cause I really wanted to do a lil’ piece for X-Mas!🖌️
🧪Continuin’ Lob Corp and FFXIV as usual! The 2 series streams!🗡️
December 16, 2024 at 7:26 PM
🗓️》𝗦𝗖𝗛𝗘𝗗𝗨𝗟𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 11/17 - 11/23《🗓️
4 STREAMS AFTER FINALS WEEK!
⛏️Back to streamin’ with Grave/Digger on roblox!🐴
🎄Doing an art and chill stream cause I really wanted to do a lil’ piece for X-Mas!🖌️
🧪Continuin’ Lob Corp and FFXIV as usual! The 2 series streams!🗡️
4 STREAMS AFTER FINALS WEEK!
⛏️Back to streamin’ with Grave/Digger on roblox!🐴
🎄Doing an art and chill stream cause I really wanted to do a lil’ piece for X-Mas!🖌️
🧪Continuin’ Lob Corp and FFXIV as usual! The 2 series streams!🗡️
🔆Mornin’ moment!🔆
Bed comfy and want to lie in it more, tho need to work aaaaaaaaaa. 🛏️
Will post schedule in a bit! Can’t wait!🗓️✨
Bed comfy and want to lie in it more, tho need to work aaaaaaaaaa. 🛏️
Will post schedule in a bit! Can’t wait!🗓️✨
December 16, 2024 at 6:26 PM
🔆Mornin’ moment!🔆
Bed comfy and want to lie in it more, tho need to work aaaaaaaaaa. 🛏️
Will post schedule in a bit! Can’t wait!🗓️✨
Bed comfy and want to lie in it more, tho need to work aaaaaaaaaa. 🛏️
Will post schedule in a bit! Can’t wait!🗓️✨
Heyowdy! Been a while once more!👋
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving if ya celebrate it!
Focus on the school since this is the second to last week of college. So still unfortunately will be on hiatus until next week.😕
Hope for the best and thanks for thy patience!✨
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving if ya celebrate it!
Focus on the school since this is the second to last week of college. So still unfortunately will be on hiatus until next week.😕
Hope for the best and thanks for thy patience!✨
December 1, 2024 at 10:02 PM
Heyowdy! Been a while once more!👋
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving if ya celebrate it!
Focus on the school since this is the second to last week of college. So still unfortunately will be on hiatus until next week.😕
Hope for the best and thanks for thy patience!✨
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving if ya celebrate it!
Focus on the school since this is the second to last week of college. So still unfortunately will be on hiatus until next week.😕
Hope for the best and thanks for thy patience!✨
🔆Mornin’ moment!🔆
May be a pretty busy week in terms of school stuff, school is almost over and I need to catch up on some stuff so I may not be streaming this week, sorry for the inconvenience.😕
Anyways, here’s pretty much a clip from my current favorite FPS rn 👀
May be a pretty busy week in terms of school stuff, school is almost over and I need to catch up on some stuff so I may not be streaming this week, sorry for the inconvenience.😕
Anyways, here’s pretty much a clip from my current favorite FPS rn 👀
November 25, 2024 at 7:17 PM
🔆Mornin’ moment!🔆
May be a pretty busy week in terms of school stuff, school is almost over and I need to catch up on some stuff so I may not be streaming this week, sorry for the inconvenience.😕
Anyways, here’s pretty much a clip from my current favorite FPS rn 👀
May be a pretty busy week in terms of school stuff, school is almost over and I need to catch up on some stuff so I may not be streaming this week, sorry for the inconvenience.😕
Anyways, here’s pretty much a clip from my current favorite FPS rn 👀
🔴» 𝙂𝙊𝙄𝙉' 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀 «🔴
⚔️Streaming FFXIV!⚔️
🍗Sorry for delay, I was eatin' chicken LOL🍗
📖Anyways lets gun through the Stormblood, Hildibrand, and Roulettes!📖
(Also yes we got a better thumbnail!! 🖼️)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
⚔️Streaming FFXIV!⚔️
🍗Sorry for delay, I was eatin' chicken LOL🍗
📖Anyways lets gun through the Stormblood, Hildibrand, and Roulettes!📖
(Also yes we got a better thumbnail!! 🖼️)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
November 23, 2024 at 2:40 AM
🔴» 𝙂𝙊𝙄𝙉' 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀 «🔴
⚔️Streaming FFXIV!⚔️
🍗Sorry for delay, I was eatin' chicken LOL🍗
📖Anyways lets gun through the Stormblood, Hildibrand, and Roulettes!📖
(Also yes we got a better thumbnail!! 🖼️)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
⚔️Streaming FFXIV!⚔️
🍗Sorry for delay, I was eatin' chicken LOL🍗
📖Anyways lets gun through the Stormblood, Hildibrand, and Roulettes!📖
(Also yes we got a better thumbnail!! 🖼️)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
🔆Afternoon moment!🔆
Hopin’ that everyone is havin’ a nice day!just very sleepy over at work again aaaaaaaaa💤💤
It’s FFXIV Friday so streaming FFXIV lol🗡️
(I’ll try and make a better thumbnail for it this time with the hour of me being at my house✨)
Hopin’ that everyone is havin’ a nice day!just very sleepy over at work again aaaaaaaaa💤💤
It’s FFXIV Friday so streaming FFXIV lol🗡️
(I’ll try and make a better thumbnail for it this time with the hour of me being at my house✨)
November 22, 2024 at 9:36 PM
🔆Afternoon moment!🔆
Hopin’ that everyone is havin’ a nice day!just very sleepy over at work again aaaaaaaaa💤💤
It’s FFXIV Friday so streaming FFXIV lol🗡️
(I’ll try and make a better thumbnail for it this time with the hour of me being at my house✨)
Hopin’ that everyone is havin’ a nice day!just very sleepy over at work again aaaaaaaaa💤💤
It’s FFXIV Friday so streaming FFXIV lol🗡️
(I’ll try and make a better thumbnail for it this time with the hour of me being at my house✨)
🔴» 𝙂𝙊𝙄𝙉' 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀 «🔴
⏰Streaming Limbus Company!⏰
I didn't know what to do for this week, so lets do a MDH4 solo!!👤
(They may die idk💀)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
⏰Streaming Limbus Company!⏰
I didn't know what to do for this week, so lets do a MDH4 solo!!👤
(They may die idk💀)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
November 21, 2024 at 3:09 AM
🔴» 𝙂𝙊𝙄𝙉' 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀 «🔴
⏰Streaming Limbus Company!⏰
I didn't know what to do for this week, so lets do a MDH4 solo!!👤
(They may die idk💀)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
⏰Streaming Limbus Company!⏰
I didn't know what to do for this week, so lets do a MDH4 solo!!👤
(They may die idk💀)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
Also! been working on more death roulettes!💀
Here's just a tiny screenshot of one of the upcoming ones! Text on the bottom will be randomized!!🎲
Here's just a tiny screenshot of one of the upcoming ones! Text on the bottom will be randomized!!🎲
November 20, 2024 at 5:44 AM
Also! been working on more death roulettes!💀
Here's just a tiny screenshot of one of the upcoming ones! Text on the bottom will be randomized!!🎲
Here's just a tiny screenshot of one of the upcoming ones! Text on the bottom will be randomized!!🎲
🛑» 𝙎𝙏𝙍𝙀𝘼𝙈 𝘾𝙊𝙉𝘾𝙇𝙐𝘿𝙀𝘿 «🛑
Much thankies on joinin' the 3rd Lob Corp Stream!
As usual: Here's all the nuggets that lived! We now almost have 10! Always lookin' for more employees!👀
Also raided @cutiepierin.bsky.social !! Pls check out rigging mom! 💖
Much thankies on joinin' the 3rd Lob Corp Stream!
As usual: Here's all the nuggets that lived! We now almost have 10! Always lookin' for more employees!👀
Also raided @cutiepierin.bsky.social !! Pls check out rigging mom! 💖
November 20, 2024 at 5:43 AM
🛑» 𝙎𝙏𝙍𝙀𝘼𝙈 𝘾𝙊𝙉𝘾𝙇𝙐𝘿𝙀𝘿 «🛑
Much thankies on joinin' the 3rd Lob Corp Stream!
As usual: Here's all the nuggets that lived! We now almost have 10! Always lookin' for more employees!👀
Also raided @cutiepierin.bsky.social !! Pls check out rigging mom! 💖
Much thankies on joinin' the 3rd Lob Corp Stream!
As usual: Here's all the nuggets that lived! We now almost have 10! Always lookin' for more employees!👀
Also raided @cutiepierin.bsky.social !! Pls check out rigging mom! 💖
🔴» 𝙂𝙊𝙄𝙉' 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀 «🔴
🧠Streaming Lobotomy Corporation!🧠
🟢THE ENKEPHALIN NEED IS RISING!!🟢
WE NEED MORE EMPLOYEES!! (Get a personal nugget on follow!)👀
🔗BELOW!⬇️
🧠Streaming Lobotomy Corporation!🧠
🟢THE ENKEPHALIN NEED IS RISING!!🟢
WE NEED MORE EMPLOYEES!! (Get a personal nugget on follow!)👀
🔗BELOW!⬇️
November 20, 2024 at 2:26 AM
🔴» 𝙂𝙊𝙄𝙉' 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀 «🔴
🧠Streaming Lobotomy Corporation!🧠
🟢THE ENKEPHALIN NEED IS RISING!!🟢
WE NEED MORE EMPLOYEES!! (Get a personal nugget on follow!)👀
🔗BELOW!⬇️
🧠Streaming Lobotomy Corporation!🧠
🟢THE ENKEPHALIN NEED IS RISING!!🟢
WE NEED MORE EMPLOYEES!! (Get a personal nugget on follow!)👀
🔗BELOW!⬇️
🗓️》𝗦𝗖𝗛𝗘𝗗𝗨𝗟𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 11/17 - 11/23《🗓️
The week of Idk... Here's 2 project moon streams lol!
🧠Needing more Abnormalites in Lobotomy Corporation!🧠
⏰Soloing the MD4H on Limbus company⏰
⚔️A more high energy Hildibrand and MSQ (Fr I need to progress stormblood)⚔️
The week of Idk... Here's 2 project moon streams lol!
🧠Needing more Abnormalites in Lobotomy Corporation!🧠
⏰Soloing the MD4H on Limbus company⏰
⚔️A more high energy Hildibrand and MSQ (Fr I need to progress stormblood)⚔️
November 19, 2024 at 10:48 PM
🗓️》𝗦𝗖𝗛𝗘𝗗𝗨𝗟𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 11/17 - 11/23《🗓️
The week of Idk... Here's 2 project moon streams lol!
🧠Needing more Abnormalites in Lobotomy Corporation!🧠
⏰Soloing the MD4H on Limbus company⏰
⚔️A more high energy Hildibrand and MSQ (Fr I need to progress stormblood)⚔️
The week of Idk... Here's 2 project moon streams lol!
🧠Needing more Abnormalites in Lobotomy Corporation!🧠
⏰Soloing the MD4H on Limbus company⏰
⚔️A more high energy Hildibrand and MSQ (Fr I need to progress stormblood)⚔️
🔆Noon moment🔆
The amount of MIAs are pretty insane lol, kinda just been vibin’ but ye all alive and well👀
Will be postin’ schedule in a bit!🗓️
Hopin’ for the best! 💖
The amount of MIAs are pretty insane lol, kinda just been vibin’ but ye all alive and well👀
Will be postin’ schedule in a bit!🗓️
Hopin’ for the best! 💖
November 19, 2024 at 8:07 PM
🔆Noon moment🔆
The amount of MIAs are pretty insane lol, kinda just been vibin’ but ye all alive and well👀
Will be postin’ schedule in a bit!🗓️
Hopin’ for the best! 💖
The amount of MIAs are pretty insane lol, kinda just been vibin’ but ye all alive and well👀
Will be postin’ schedule in a bit!🗓️
Hopin’ for the best! 💖
I played monopoly for the first time…
I won.
I won.
November 17, 2024 at 7:31 AM
I played monopoly for the first time…
I won.
I won.
🔴» 𝙂𝙊𝙄𝙉' 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀 «🔴
⚔️Bit of a chill time of doing them roulettes and Hildibrands!!🎀
Streaming FFXIV (and I still need a better thumbnail 💀)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
⚔️Bit of a chill time of doing them roulettes and Hildibrands!!🎀
Streaming FFXIV (and I still need a better thumbnail 💀)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
November 16, 2024 at 2:31 AM
🔴» 𝙂𝙊𝙄𝙉' 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀 «🔴
⚔️Bit of a chill time of doing them roulettes and Hildibrands!!🎀
Streaming FFXIV (and I still need a better thumbnail 💀)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
⚔️Bit of a chill time of doing them roulettes and Hildibrands!!🎀
Streaming FFXIV (and I still need a better thumbnail 💀)
🔗BELOW!⬇️
🔆Mornin’ Moment!🔆
Yes
Also streaming more ffxiv today! 👀
Also sorry on not streamin’ yesterday, stuffs for brain again🧠
Yes
Also streaming more ffxiv today! 👀
Also sorry on not streamin’ yesterday, stuffs for brain again🧠
November 15, 2024 at 8:45 PM
🔆Mornin’ Moment!🔆
Yes
Also streaming more ffxiv today! 👀
Also sorry on not streamin’ yesterday, stuffs for brain again🧠
Yes
Also streaming more ffxiv today! 👀
Also sorry on not streamin’ yesterday, stuffs for brain again🧠
This was supposed to be for my discord server… here lol
November 14, 2024 at 11:11 PM
This was supposed to be for my discord server… here lol
🔆Afternoon moment!!🔆
Hope everyone is havin’ a pretty swell day today! Work being work and stuff still being thought of.🧠
Also we’re almost at 200 on the purple stream place!! Much gratitude for joining’ the bunker lads! Means a lot to get this far, let’s keep charging!❤️
Hope everyone is havin’ a pretty swell day today! Work being work and stuff still being thought of.🧠
Also we’re almost at 200 on the purple stream place!! Much gratitude for joining’ the bunker lads! Means a lot to get this far, let’s keep charging!❤️
November 7, 2024 at 9:22 PM
🔆Afternoon moment!!🔆
Hope everyone is havin’ a pretty swell day today! Work being work and stuff still being thought of.🧠
Also we’re almost at 200 on the purple stream place!! Much gratitude for joining’ the bunker lads! Means a lot to get this far, let’s keep charging!❤️
Hope everyone is havin’ a pretty swell day today! Work being work and stuff still being thought of.🧠
Also we’re almost at 200 on the purple stream place!! Much gratitude for joining’ the bunker lads! Means a lot to get this far, let’s keep charging!❤️
🔴» 𝙂𝙊𝙄𝙉' 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀 «🔴
💀The last chapter for the Halloween event got postoned to Friday...but hey LETS GO GRIND THE EVENT!!💀
Steaming Tower Defense X on Roblox!
🔗BELOW!⬇️
💀The last chapter for the Halloween event got postoned to Friday...but hey LETS GO GRIND THE EVENT!!💀
Steaming Tower Defense X on Roblox!
🔗BELOW!⬇️
November 7, 2024 at 2:36 AM
🔴» 𝙂𝙊𝙄𝙉' 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀 «🔴
💀The last chapter for the Halloween event got postoned to Friday...but hey LETS GO GRIND THE EVENT!!💀
Steaming Tower Defense X on Roblox!
🔗BELOW!⬇️
💀The last chapter for the Halloween event got postoned to Friday...but hey LETS GO GRIND THE EVENT!!💀
Steaming Tower Defense X on Roblox!
🔗BELOW!⬇️
🗓️》𝗦𝗖𝗛𝗘𝗗𝗨𝗟𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 11/03 - 11/09《🗓️
Back from 2 weeks!!
🧠Starting Lobotomy corporation! May be turning followers into employees… death is a high chance🧠
🪖Seeing the end of the Halloween event of TDX, and some grindin’🪖
🗡️MSQ AND HILDIBRAND FRIDAY!!🏹
Back from 2 weeks!!
🧠Starting Lobotomy corporation! May be turning followers into employees… death is a high chance🧠
🪖Seeing the end of the Halloween event of TDX, and some grindin’🪖
🗡️MSQ AND HILDIBRAND FRIDAY!!🏹
November 5, 2024 at 8:56 PM
🗓️》𝗦𝗖𝗛𝗘𝗗𝗨𝗟𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 11/03 - 11/09《🗓️
Back from 2 weeks!!
🧠Starting Lobotomy corporation! May be turning followers into employees… death is a high chance🧠
🪖Seeing the end of the Halloween event of TDX, and some grindin’🪖
🗡️MSQ AND HILDIBRAND FRIDAY!!🏹
Back from 2 weeks!!
🧠Starting Lobotomy corporation! May be turning followers into employees… death is a high chance🧠
🪖Seeing the end of the Halloween event of TDX, and some grindin’🪖
🗡️MSQ AND HILDIBRAND FRIDAY!!🏹
🔆Noon moment!🔆
Schedule is bein’ posted in a bit! 🗓️
Just eatin’ breakfast at work and having to clean up roaches again.
Thought about streaming a game that I am very bad at for a while, but started a whole amazing bunch of lore! Has to do with brains 🧠
Schedule is bein’ posted in a bit! 🗓️
Just eatin’ breakfast at work and having to clean up roaches again.
Thought about streaming a game that I am very bad at for a while, but started a whole amazing bunch of lore! Has to do with brains 🧠
November 5, 2024 at 8:55 PM
🔆Noon moment!🔆
Schedule is bein’ posted in a bit! 🗓️
Just eatin’ breakfast at work and having to clean up roaches again.
Thought about streaming a game that I am very bad at for a while, but started a whole amazing bunch of lore! Has to do with brains 🧠
Schedule is bein’ posted in a bit! 🗓️
Just eatin’ breakfast at work and having to clean up roaches again.
Thought about streaming a game that I am very bad at for a while, but started a whole amazing bunch of lore! Has to do with brains 🧠
(I forgot to post this here aaaaack)
Heyowdy!!!✨
Whelp, back from just looking at my mental health, streams are returning this week!! 👀👀
Hopin’ for a good week!!
Heyowdy!!!✨
Whelp, back from just looking at my mental health, streams are returning this week!! 👀👀
Hopin’ for a good week!!
November 4, 2024 at 10:59 PM
(I forgot to post this here aaaaack)
Heyowdy!!!✨
Whelp, back from just looking at my mental health, streams are returning this week!! 👀👀
Hopin’ for a good week!!
Heyowdy!!!✨
Whelp, back from just looking at my mental health, streams are returning this week!! 👀👀
Hopin’ for a good week!!
Heyowdy everyone! 👀
Still gonna be on hiatus till next week, will be postin’ something hopefully done by Halloween but other than that, feelin’ better with my mental health. Still need a therapist tho….😕
See ya till the 31st and next week🎃👀
Still gonna be on hiatus till next week, will be postin’ something hopefully done by Halloween but other than that, feelin’ better with my mental health. Still need a therapist tho….😕
See ya till the 31st and next week🎃👀
October 29, 2024 at 8:04 PM
Heyowdy everyone! 👀
Still gonna be on hiatus till next week, will be postin’ something hopefully done by Halloween but other than that, feelin’ better with my mental health. Still need a therapist tho….😕
See ya till the 31st and next week🎃👀
Still gonna be on hiatus till next week, will be postin’ something hopefully done by Halloween but other than that, feelin’ better with my mental health. Still need a therapist tho….😕
See ya till the 31st and next week🎃👀
Mornin' moment
Apologies on not streaming yesterday, Literally just had a mental breakdown yesterday. Stuff about getting a brighter future , my lack of motivations for my art where I'm going with life. Still feel like I'm at a blockade with getting out there and interacting
Apologies on not streaming yesterday, Literally just had a mental breakdown yesterday. Stuff about getting a brighter future , my lack of motivations for my art where I'm going with life. Still feel like I'm at a blockade with getting out there and interacting
October 23, 2024 at 4:54 PM
Mornin' moment
Apologies on not streaming yesterday, Literally just had a mental breakdown yesterday. Stuff about getting a brighter future , my lack of motivations for my art where I'm going with life. Still feel like I'm at a blockade with getting out there and interacting
Apologies on not streaming yesterday, Literally just had a mental breakdown yesterday. Stuff about getting a brighter future , my lack of motivations for my art where I'm going with life. Still feel like I'm at a blockade with getting out there and interacting
🗓️》𝗦𝗖𝗛𝗘𝗗𝗨𝗟𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 10/13 - 10/16《🗓️
Almost Spooky week!
🔫WE'RE GOING CRAFTING & HILDIBRANDIN'... that's it in FFXIV🛡️
🐴Finishing Canto 7 of LIMBUS COMPANNNEEEHH!⏰
🪖 Sacrificing soldiers to die in Tower Defense X's Halloween Event 🪖
Almost Spooky week!
🔫WE'RE GOING CRAFTING & HILDIBRANDIN'... that's it in FFXIV🛡️
🐴Finishing Canto 7 of LIMBUS COMPANNNEEEHH!⏰
🪖 Sacrificing soldiers to die in Tower Defense X's Halloween Event 🪖
October 22, 2024 at 8:45 PM
🗓️》𝗦𝗖𝗛𝗘𝗗𝗨𝗟𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 10/13 - 10/16《🗓️
Almost Spooky week!
🔫WE'RE GOING CRAFTING & HILDIBRANDIN'... that's it in FFXIV🛡️
🐴Finishing Canto 7 of LIMBUS COMPANNNEEEHH!⏰
🪖 Sacrificing soldiers to die in Tower Defense X's Halloween Event 🪖
Almost Spooky week!
🔫WE'RE GOING CRAFTING & HILDIBRANDIN'... that's it in FFXIV🛡️
🐴Finishing Canto 7 of LIMBUS COMPANNNEEEHH!⏰
🪖 Sacrificing soldiers to die in Tower Defense X's Halloween Event 🪖
🔆Mornin’ moment🔆
Somewhat feelin’ a bit better from yesterday! Have those feelings every now and then and just try and pull through.🧠
Gonna be streaming FFXIV today considering that there’s a game I wanted to play on Friday! (I still need to post schedule lol)🗓️
(Still weird to post this twice)
Somewhat feelin’ a bit better from yesterday! Have those feelings every now and then and just try and pull through.🧠
Gonna be streaming FFXIV today considering that there’s a game I wanted to play on Friday! (I still need to post schedule lol)🗓️
(Still weird to post this twice)
October 22, 2024 at 6:13 PM
🔆Mornin’ moment🔆
Somewhat feelin’ a bit better from yesterday! Have those feelings every now and then and just try and pull through.🧠
Gonna be streaming FFXIV today considering that there’s a game I wanted to play on Friday! (I still need to post schedule lol)🗓️
(Still weird to post this twice)
Somewhat feelin’ a bit better from yesterday! Have those feelings every now and then and just try and pull through.🧠
Gonna be streaming FFXIV today considering that there’s a game I wanted to play on Friday! (I still need to post schedule lol)🗓️
(Still weird to post this twice)