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When will the authorities learn that allowing these dangerous drivers to drive, with only points as a deterrent, is not enough to stop them offending. Maybe points and a 3 month ban for a first offence.
February 19, 2025 at 11:40 AM
When will the authorities learn that allowing these dangerous drivers to drive, with only points as a deterrent, is not enough to stop them offending. Maybe points and a 3 month ban for a first offence.
Illegal motorbikes are, as you have discovered, a big problem. Luckily the riders own vulnerability is a limiting factor to the risks they take, because police just drive straight past them. I have to remind myself that drivers are far more worthy of police attention.
February 13, 2025 at 9:36 PM
Illegal motorbikes are, as you have discovered, a big problem. Luckily the riders own vulnerability is a limiting factor to the risks they take, because police just drive straight past them. I have to remind myself that drivers are far more worthy of police attention.
Standard policing from South Yorkshire Police
Only 6 points for driving at 162mph
"South Yorkshire Police said a driver caught driving at 162mph (260km/h) in 2019 was issued with six penalty points on their licence and received fines of £1,210."
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Only 6 points for driving at 162mph
"South Yorkshire Police said a driver caught driving at 162mph (260km/h) in 2019 was issued with six penalty points on their licence and received fines of £1,210."
search.app/1ZbP29T43brD...
Drivers caught speeding at 164mph told to stop being 'selfish'
At least 24,000 drivers were detected speeding at over 100mph in five years, police data shows.
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February 5, 2025 at 11:54 AM
Standard policing from South Yorkshire Police
Only 6 points for driving at 162mph
"South Yorkshire Police said a driver caught driving at 162mph (260km/h) in 2019 was issued with six penalty points on their licence and received fines of £1,210."
search.app/1ZbP29T43brD...
Only 6 points for driving at 162mph
"South Yorkshire Police said a driver caught driving at 162mph (260km/h) in 2019 was issued with six penalty points on their licence and received fines of £1,210."
search.app/1ZbP29T43brD...
If we decided to use resources to retest it would make sense to consider applying equivalent extra resources to enforcement. Looking at the bigger picture, preventing KSIs could save billions. Spending a fraction of that on a strong deterrent would be very effective and efficient in comparison.
February 4, 2025 at 8:38 AM
If we decided to use resources to retest it would make sense to consider applying equivalent extra resources to enforcement. Looking at the bigger picture, preventing KSIs could save billions. Spending a fraction of that on a strong deterrent would be very effective and efficient in comparison.
I have lots of evidence of the police lying and refusing to enforce the law. I've recorded phone calls from then talking absolute shit about close passes. I have no idea why you think they do a good job. Every ride a take I get close passed due to weak enforcement. How about you?
February 3, 2025 at 8:02 PM
I have lots of evidence of the police lying and refusing to enforce the law. I've recorded phone calls from then talking absolute shit about close passes. I have no idea why you think they do a good job. Every ride a take I get close passed due to weak enforcement. How about you?
You don't have a comparison between like for like offenders. Word of mouth about a credible risk of enforcement and points is what police have always refused to provide (since they stopped riding bikes on the beat).
The Police need to put right previous failings (read refusal to enforce the law).
The Police need to put right previous failings (read refusal to enforce the law).
February 3, 2025 at 5:48 PM
You don't have a comparison between like for like offenders. Word of mouth about a credible risk of enforcement and points is what police have always refused to provide (since they stopped riding bikes on the beat).
The Police need to put right previous failings (read refusal to enforce the law).
The Police need to put right previous failings (read refusal to enforce the law).
You're missing the point
February 3, 2025 at 5:37 PM
You're missing the point
And the deterrent effect to those not caught yet? Courses aren't offered to the most extreme cases, so this isn't a like for like comparison. Those offered courses are as dangerous in the first place.
February 3, 2025 at 5:36 PM
And the deterrent effect to those not caught yet? Courses aren't offered to the most extreme cases, so this isn't a like for like comparison. Those offered courses are as dangerous in the first place.
I'm putting the case that the fear of points is more effective than the fear of zero points. Especially given weak policing encouraged dangerous behaviour or licenced drivers who have passed a test to prove they understand the rules.
February 3, 2025 at 5:24 PM
I'm putting the case that the fear of points is more effective than the fear of zero points. Especially given weak policing encouraged dangerous behaviour or licenced drivers who have passed a test to prove they understand the rules.
But what amount of actual behaviour change compared to points and a fine, and what's the difference in behaviour change of those not caught be would fear points in their licence far more than no points and a course?
February 3, 2025 at 5:21 PM
But what amount of actual behaviour change compared to points and a fine, and what's the difference in behaviour change of those not caught be would fear points in their licence far more than no points and a course?
I've seen it, and I am waiting for his reply.
Liking isn't statistics
Liking isn't statistics
February 3, 2025 at 4:28 PM
I've seen it, and I am waiting for his reply.
Liking isn't statistics
Liking isn't statistics
Because their inaction got us where we are now, and even now they downgrade clear offences to courses, words of advice, or simply refuse to enforce the law.
Why are you defending weak police that put cyclists in danger?
Why are you defending weak police that put cyclists in danger?
February 3, 2025 at 4:27 PM
Because their inaction got us where we are now, and even now they downgrade clear offences to courses, words of advice, or simply refuse to enforce the law.
Why are you defending weak police that put cyclists in danger?
Why are you defending weak police that put cyclists in danger?
So you have stats that show prosecuting careless driving, or downgrading to a fixed penalty notice of 3 points and a £100 is a less effective deterrent than a course and zero points?
I'll wait
Thanks in advance
I'll wait
Thanks in advance
February 3, 2025 at 4:24 PM
So you have stats that show prosecuting careless driving, or downgrading to a fixed penalty notice of 3 points and a £100 is a less effective deterrent than a course and zero points?
I'll wait
Thanks in advance
I'll wait
Thanks in advance
I'd go for a credible risk of prosecution of offending drivers. We all know lots of drivers who've just passed a test ignore the rules. It is far more about the risk of getting caught than knowledge of the rules.
February 3, 2025 at 9:33 AM
I'd go for a credible risk of prosecution of offending drivers. We all know lots of drivers who've just passed a test ignore the rules. It is far more about the risk of getting caught than knowledge of the rules.
Figures are different to SY Police area, especially earlier on where SYP refused to enforce the law at all, as did most forces out of the WMP area
February 3, 2025 at 9:30 AM
Figures are different to SY Police area, especially earlier on where SYP refused to enforce the law at all, as did most forces out of the WMP area
Can you also point out the difference in behaviour you posted about when you switched from roadside courses to NIPs
OP seems to think warnings and courses work better than points at behaviour change when knowing a close pass means zero points, it's a weak deterrent.
OP seems to think warnings and courses work better than points at behaviour change when knowing a close pass means zero points, it's a weak deterrent.
February 3, 2025 at 9:28 AM
Can you also point out the difference in behaviour you posted about when you switched from roadside courses to NIPs
OP seems to think warnings and courses work better than points at behaviour change when knowing a close pass means zero points, it's a weak deterrent.
OP seems to think warnings and courses work better than points at behaviour change when knowing a close pass means zero points, it's a weak deterrent.
More effective than points? A better deterrent than drivers knowing they'll get points?
You don't have stats on this do you!
You don't have stats on this do you!
February 3, 2025 at 9:22 AM
More effective than points? A better deterrent than drivers knowing they'll get points?
You don't have stats on this do you!
You don't have stats on this do you!
I was wrong in this case, but I clearly have a better understanding of SY Police attitude towards cyclists. They have indeed improved massively, but they still fail a lot, and almost always go for offering drivers courses regardless of how bad the drivers behaviour is.
10 years plus experience
10 years plus experience
February 2, 2025 at 8:00 PM
I was wrong in this case, but I clearly have a better understanding of SY Police attitude towards cyclists. They have indeed improved massively, but they still fail a lot, and almost always go for offering drivers courses regardless of how bad the drivers behaviour is.
10 years plus experience
10 years plus experience
Just assumed with all the missing reports at had to be SY Police
Ok so it's the council, and no cops drove passed to see the problem either
Ok so it's the council, and no cops drove passed to see the problem either
February 2, 2025 at 1:52 PM
Just assumed with all the missing reports at had to be SY Police
Ok so it's the council, and no cops drove passed to see the problem either
Ok so it's the council, and no cops drove passed to see the problem either
South Yorkshire Police up to their standard tricks then!
February 1, 2025 at 6:36 PM
South Yorkshire Police up to their standard tricks then!
Looking right through the cyclist. Saying get eye contact, is very dangerous advice.
January 23, 2025 at 10:21 AM
Looking right through the cyclist. Saying get eye contact, is very dangerous advice.
EVs particularly electric SUVs
January 19, 2025 at 1:48 PM
EVs particularly electric SUVs