Andrew Dube
@randrewrube.bsky.social
he either could have created it, and therefore our universe wouldn’t exist OR he chose not to create it, and willingly allowed evil in. therefore, if our universe is here, he cannot be all good, all powerful, or all knowing all at once.
December 8, 2024 at 5:35 PM
he either could have created it, and therefore our universe wouldn’t exist OR he chose not to create it, and willingly allowed evil in. therefore, if our universe is here, he cannot be all good, all powerful, or all knowing all at once.
you’re using free will as you understand it, and how it works in this universe. an all powerful, all knowing deity isn’t bound to that understand of it. it’s paradoxical to ask if he could make one with free will, but without the freedom to turn from him but that’s the point.
December 8, 2024 at 5:33 PM
you’re using free will as you understand it, and how it works in this universe. an all powerful, all knowing deity isn’t bound to that understand of it. it’s paradoxical to ask if he could make one with free will, but without the freedom to turn from him but that’s the point.
this is pretty easy to attribute to survivors bias. we literally just so happen to have the conditions to exist, while there are trillions upon trillions of solar systems in our universe. we could have been having this conversation on any planet that had those conditions.
December 8, 2024 at 5:31 PM
this is pretty easy to attribute to survivors bias. we literally just so happen to have the conditions to exist, while there are trillions upon trillions of solar systems in our universe. we could have been having this conversation on any planet that had those conditions.
you still didn’t understand the question.
December 8, 2024 at 5:27 PM
you still didn’t understand the question.
my favorite source of facts and definitions: Harry Potter. you dug yourself a hole here btw, you agreed that they both are supernatural.
December 8, 2024 at 5:27 PM
my favorite source of facts and definitions: Harry Potter. you dug yourself a hole here btw, you agreed that they both are supernatural.
here’s the problem with your answer though: that’s free will as you understand it. an all powerful being isn’t bound to that. the point you’ve made is that you don’t understand how he could do it, not actually if he could or not. it’s part of the paradox.
December 8, 2024 at 5:25 PM
here’s the problem with your answer though: that’s free will as you understand it. an all powerful being isn’t bound to that. the point you’ve made is that you don’t understand how he could do it, not actually if he could or not. it’s part of the paradox.
so i answered yours. Magic is unexplained. Miracles are unexplained. both are supernatural. i’m doing your thinking for you, you’re welcome. you can’t keep asserting your own made up definitions and functionalities and then say i’m wrong. stop using english if you just don’t like what words mean.
December 8, 2024 at 5:22 PM
so i answered yours. Magic is unexplained. Miracles are unexplained. both are supernatural. i’m doing your thinking for you, you’re welcome. you can’t keep asserting your own made up definitions and functionalities and then say i’m wrong. stop using english if you just don’t like what words mean.
and i come back: could he have created a universe with free will, but people don’t have the choice to love him. you don’t understand the question. that is part of the paradox.
December 8, 2024 at 5:18 PM
and i come back: could he have created a universe with free will, but people don’t have the choice to love him. you don’t understand the question. that is part of the paradox.
must i attach this again? magicians aren’t actually doing magic BECAUSE it’s being explained. you can’t dismiss magic as a word by using something that isn’t relevant. by the definition of it, miracles are magic lmao
December 8, 2024 at 5:15 PM
must i attach this again? magicians aren’t actually doing magic BECAUSE it’s being explained. you can’t dismiss magic as a word by using something that isn’t relevant. by the definition of it, miracles are magic lmao
"religious zealot struggles with reading comprehension" is such an old headline
December 8, 2024 at 5:13 PM
"religious zealot struggles with reading comprehension" is such an old headline
it’s not just that there are similarities, the oxford definition of miracle that you provided fits cleanly within the definition of magic. there’s no morality attached to magic, because one of its purposes is a blanket term for the unexplainable. also you added onto the definition of miracle there.
December 8, 2024 at 5:13 PM
it’s not just that there are similarities, the oxford definition of miracle that you provided fits cleanly within the definition of magic. there’s no morality attached to magic, because one of its purposes is a blanket term for the unexplainable. also you added onto the definition of miracle there.
so god could not have created a world with free will, but without the choice to love him. then that is something he cannot do, and he is not all powerful. you see how this cycles?
December 8, 2024 at 5:11 PM
so god could not have created a world with free will, but without the choice to love him. then that is something he cannot do, and he is not all powerful. you see how this cycles?
im not saying they claim to both be in the supernatural. i’m saying they are both literally in the supernatural. the oxford definition of magic covers miracles perfectly. submit an appeal to them if you think they’re wrong
December 8, 2024 at 5:07 PM
im not saying they claim to both be in the supernatural. i’m saying they are both literally in the supernatural. the oxford definition of magic covers miracles perfectly. submit an appeal to them if you think they’re wrong
"no it’s completely different. now i’m going to talk about something that is completely different because i can’t wrap my head around parlor tricks being a different concept completely." dude we know how houdini’s tricks work. every single stage magician is capable of explaining their stuff.
December 8, 2024 at 5:05 PM
"no it’s completely different. now i’m going to talk about something that is completely different because i can’t wrap my head around parlor tricks being a different concept completely." dude we know how houdini’s tricks work. every single stage magician is capable of explaining their stuff.
and we circle back to why an all powerful, all good, all knowing god would ever need to do any of that. there’s no consistency to it, and god falls apart as his image is now.
December 8, 2024 at 5:03 PM
and we circle back to why an all powerful, all good, all knowing god would ever need to do any of that. there’s no consistency to it, and god falls apart as his image is now.
that’s adding things on to the definition of magic, which i don’t feel i need to attach again. with the oxford english dictionary definition of magic considered, miracles fall very neatly within the confines of what "magic" is.
December 8, 2024 at 5:01 PM
that’s adding things on to the definition of magic, which i don’t feel i need to attach again. with the oxford english dictionary definition of magic considered, miracles fall very neatly within the confines of what "magic" is.
i actually didn’t say that. i pointed out the inconsistency of being all good, all knowing, and having any sort of exclusion to heaven at all.
December 8, 2024 at 4:57 PM
i actually didn’t say that. i pointed out the inconsistency of being all good, all knowing, and having any sort of exclusion to heaven at all.
i love that you pulled this out without thinking what it means. this is literally showing how a miracle is magic. and that christians, by believe in supernaturally-sourced miracles, believe in magic.
December 8, 2024 at 4:55 PM
i love that you pulled this out without thinking what it means. this is literally showing how a miracle is magic. and that christians, by believe in supernaturally-sourced miracles, believe in magic.
so smoke and mirrors magic is a more colloquial term than the actual definition of magic. again listed. Key word: SUPERNATURAL
December 8, 2024 at 4:53 PM
so smoke and mirrors magic is a more colloquial term than the actual definition of magic. again listed. Key word: SUPERNATURAL
i’ll be bringing this back then. textbook definition of magic.
December 8, 2024 at 4:48 PM
i’ll be bringing this back then. textbook definition of magic.
i think you completely missed the point of all of this and that’s been the biggest consistency so far
December 8, 2024 at 4:45 PM
i think you completely missed the point of all of this and that’s been the biggest consistency so far
walking on water is magic. transmutation of a water into wine is magic. necromancy is magic. spontaneous creation is magic. supernatural phenomenon, including divine, is magic and it’s a core part of the christian religion.
December 8, 2024 at 4:43 PM
walking on water is magic. transmutation of a water into wine is magic. necromancy is magic. spontaneous creation is magic. supernatural phenomenon, including divine, is magic and it’s a core part of the christian religion.
then your fight is with the oxford dictionary, not me lmao. it’s magic by definition, being granted by something doesn’t matter, and is usually even a part of it.
December 8, 2024 at 4:42 PM
then your fight is with the oxford dictionary, not me lmao. it’s magic by definition, being granted by something doesn’t matter, and is usually even a part of it.
an all powerful, all good, all knowing god would make a universe with no sacrifice or suffering, and with no conditions attached. but also this doesn’t prove christianity isn’t a religion, or that christians don’t believe in magic.
December 8, 2024 at 1:19 AM
an all powerful, all good, all knowing god would make a universe with no sacrifice or suffering, and with no conditions attached. but also this doesn’t prove christianity isn’t a religion, or that christians don’t believe in magic.