Andrew Evenson
@pressabtostart.bsky.social
I want people to see the value in understanding people who disagree with them. This requires that you talk, and even argue with them, but in a respectful manner. I will happily and respectfully argue with you, even if you are disrespectful.
This format isn’t ideal for conversation though, as the threads tend to get jumbled and we stray onto multiple conversations at once. Perhaps it’d be easier to communicate in DMs, but I’ll keep responding here if you do not wish to do that. The scope of our conversation has grown quite large.
January 9, 2025 at 1:23 PM
This format isn’t ideal for conversation though, as the threads tend to get jumbled and we stray onto multiple conversations at once. Perhaps it’d be easier to communicate in DMs, but I’ll keep responding here if you do not wish to do that. The scope of our conversation has grown quite large.
That doesn’t align with the research I’ve seen, but perhaps there is new research on the subject?
I really would love to give all of your messages my full attention, but I may get too busy to respond until the weekend. You have been respectful, and this conversation has been productive.
I really would love to give all of your messages my full attention, but I may get too busy to respond until the weekend. You have been respectful, and this conversation has been productive.
January 9, 2025 at 1:23 PM
That doesn’t align with the research I’ve seen, but perhaps there is new research on the subject?
I really would love to give all of your messages my full attention, but I may get too busy to respond until the weekend. You have been respectful, and this conversation has been productive.
I really would love to give all of your messages my full attention, but I may get too busy to respond until the weekend. You have been respectful, and this conversation has been productive.
The law about age of treatment is basically taking the moral position of “it’s better to make sure everyone gets correct delayed treatment than incorrect treatment.” Of course, if they just individualized treatment, this would be a non-issue, but the law inhibits individualized treatment.
January 9, 2025 at 12:57 PM
The law about age of treatment is basically taking the moral position of “it’s better to make sure everyone gets correct delayed treatment than incorrect treatment.” Of course, if they just individualized treatment, this would be a non-issue, but the law inhibits individualized treatment.
This becomes a moral question. Yes the number of people given wrong treatment is very low, but I don’t think that means we neglect them for “the greater whole.” This is why healthcare is suppose to take an individual approach. I don’t think a law should dictate patient treatment and care.
January 9, 2025 at 12:57 PM
This becomes a moral question. Yes the number of people given wrong treatment is very low, but I don’t think that means we neglect them for “the greater whole.” This is why healthcare is suppose to take an individual approach. I don’t think a law should dictate patient treatment and care.
Delayed treatment and incorrect treatment have different consequences. Getting incorrectly treated, especially if you follow through with surgery, is equivalent to being gender dysphoric and not getting treatment. Whereas getting delayed treatment is a positive outcome.
January 9, 2025 at 12:57 PM
Delayed treatment and incorrect treatment have different consequences. Getting incorrectly treated, especially if you follow through with surgery, is equivalent to being gender dysphoric and not getting treatment. Whereas getting delayed treatment is a positive outcome.
I already listed the places I can think of that are protected. There may be more but I’m not aware of them off the top of my head.
January 9, 2025 at 12:23 PM
I already listed the places I can think of that are protected. There may be more but I’m not aware of them off the top of my head.
That’s when you call/email/write to your state reps and tell them to vote against the bill. But if someone is just talking about it, what can you do? It’s not a thing yet so you can’t do anything. I’m not making a claim on what Trump will do, I have no clue what he’ll actually do.
January 9, 2025 at 12:22 PM
That’s when you call/email/write to your state reps and tell them to vote against the bill. But if someone is just talking about it, what can you do? It’s not a thing yet so you can’t do anything. I’m not making a claim on what Trump will do, I have no clue what he’ll actually do.
Frankly I don’t believe anything a politician says at face value. Trump said a lot of things that never happened last time he was president, and that will be true this time too. Every president does that. When there is a bill being pushed, that’s the only time we have influence.
January 9, 2025 at 12:22 PM
Frankly I don’t believe anything a politician says at face value. Trump said a lot of things that never happened last time he was president, and that will be true this time too. Every president does that. When there is a bill being pushed, that’s the only time we have influence.
I’m not asking you to compile a list, I just wanted a few examples, which you gave me a few earlier, and I gave you my opinion on them. You are free to send more if you wish, but I’m not requesting more.
January 9, 2025 at 12:22 PM
I’m not asking you to compile a list, I just wanted a few examples, which you gave me a few earlier, and I gave you my opinion on them. You are free to send more if you wish, but I’m not requesting more.
I gave other reasons for it to exist. You may not like the reasons, and neither do I, but saying it’s exclusively enabling discrimination and nothing else isn’t entirely accurate.
January 9, 2025 at 12:17 PM
I gave other reasons for it to exist. You may not like the reasons, and neither do I, but saying it’s exclusively enabling discrimination and nothing else isn’t entirely accurate.
But also that’s something you’d have to deal with even if you weren’t trans, is not having access to things made for only one sex.
January 9, 2025 at 12:17 PM
But also that’s something you’d have to deal with even if you weren’t trans, is not having access to things made for only one sex.
I suppose not being able to use a woman’s abuse shelter wouldn’t be fair because men’s abuse shelters are much rarer, if they exist in your town at all. If there are any other gender specific places that you don’t have the right to use because they are men or women only, that’d be bad.
January 9, 2025 at 12:17 PM
I suppose not being able to use a woman’s abuse shelter wouldn’t be fair because men’s abuse shelters are much rarer, if they exist in your town at all. If there are any other gender specific places that you don’t have the right to use because they are men or women only, that’d be bad.
I think they should have a legal process for that. But in terms of discrimination, I can’t think of any protected places where not having access would really be losing a right, because it’s usually things that both genders have access too. You’ll still go to prison, you still have bathrooms.
January 9, 2025 at 12:17 PM
I think they should have a legal process for that. But in terms of discrimination, I can’t think of any protected places where not having access would really be losing a right, because it’s usually things that both genders have access too. You’ll still go to prison, you still have bathrooms.
Like I said, it’s basically because they need a legal definition to protect these spaces. Which this wouldn’t be a problem if they had a legal system to switch your legal sex, so the real problem is that they are not allowing you to switch your legal sex.
January 9, 2025 at 12:17 PM
Like I said, it’s basically because they need a legal definition to protect these spaces. Which this wouldn’t be a problem if they had a legal system to switch your legal sex, so the real problem is that they are not allowing you to switch your legal sex.
Do they have a bill that says this, or is it just verbal plans?
January 9, 2025 at 12:06 PM
Do they have a bill that says this, or is it just verbal plans?
Systems like sex specific prisons, bathrooms, women’s abuse shelters, etc. Again, I’m not saying I agree with the law, but something needs to dictate these things.
January 9, 2025 at 12:05 PM
Systems like sex specific prisons, bathrooms, women’s abuse shelters, etc. Again, I’m not saying I agree with the law, but something needs to dictate these things.
I would say if it used to be that way, and they changed it, that is a genuine form of legal discrimination.
January 9, 2025 at 12:01 PM
I would say if it used to be that way, and they changed it, that is a genuine form of legal discrimination.
The reason I ask is because that isn’t the law causing that discrimination. That is a bigoted individual who is discriminating on their own free will, which is what I’d argue most if not all modern discrimination is. Culture causes discrimination, not the law.
January 9, 2025 at 12:00 PM
The reason I ask is because that isn’t the law causing that discrimination. That is a bigoted individual who is discriminating on their own free will, which is what I’d argue most if not all modern discrimination is. Culture causes discrimination, not the law.
National policy not intertwined with individual morality. If someone is a rapist, it has no consequences on national policy.
January 9, 2025 at 1:29 AM
National policy not intertwined with individual morality. If someone is a rapist, it has no consequences on national policy.
In order to answer your question accurately to be relevant to the real world, you may as well just ask what you are implying. Are people who voted for Trump hateful, to which I’d answer no, but there are hateful people that voted for trump.
January 9, 2025 at 1:12 AM
In order to answer your question accurately to be relevant to the real world, you may as well just ask what you are implying. Are people who voted for Trump hateful, to which I’d answer no, but there are hateful people that voted for trump.
Well you don’t have enough information to answer the question. If I am to assume the information they know os limited to exactly what I know, then yes. But what is the candidate’s other policies? What is the opposing candidates policies? What is the political state of the world?
January 9, 2025 at 1:12 AM
Well you don’t have enough information to answer the question. If I am to assume the information they know os limited to exactly what I know, then yes. But what is the candidate’s other policies? What is the opposing candidates policies? What is the political state of the world?
That’s a deflection of my question.
January 9, 2025 at 1:10 AM
That’s a deflection of my question.
Let’s say if you vote for neither, the conservative wins. My question could be rephrased as “do you value national policy or individual morality more?” You can answer my rephrased question instead if you’d rather.
January 9, 2025 at 12:57 AM
Let’s say if you vote for neither, the conservative wins. My question could be rephrased as “do you value national policy or individual morality more?” You can answer my rephrased question instead if you’d rather.