It looks to me like he has spliced together two jobs...

It's not me saying it is. I've not been the one going round saying how 16 year olds are all ready to vote who is now going to pivot onto why they all need teaching about citizienship...

Of course. And we are not proposing to train or "educate" those people.

Well, that's one of the arguments...

No. But I think I could and still reject this approach. Indeed, I think to be intellectually consistent you would have to.

But we are not going to offer it to everyone or target everyone.

Anyone suggesting that cash strapped councils should be spending money they don't have solely to persuade 16 and 17 year olds to vote should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

Either they're ready for the vote, in which case you can end the seminar after a minute and let them get on with it.

Or they are not, in which case the voting age should stay where it is.

As far as I can tell, he did actually say the original version, which makes it a rare example of a really useful political quote that is actually genuine... See here for examples of ones that are not...

www.markpack.org.uk/175674/beati...

As far as I can tell, he did actually say the original version, which makes it a rare example of a really useful political quote that is actually genuine... See here for examples of ones that are not...

www.markpack.org.uk/175674/beati...

Somewhat more joyful.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/1990...

The reason I know I'm not making it up - apart from the fact someone else has written about it - is that I remember the joy on Hattersley's face, as he could not believe Howe had fallen for it...