It the usual nonsense. Fear of the unknown combined with a past that never happened, fuelled by a culture that will price the past not because of what it really was, but simply because we get nostalgic of when we were young. Top it all up with the fact that it's convenient to believe it did happen.

I know the feeling! 😂

Maybe 🤔

Maybe? Also Arthur original “X” is kinda “fat” X so a bit fancier than just an X, but IDK if Atari GEM version inspired that

Historically I have found that Atari TOS uses 4 small triangles that form an X to close windows and that was released in 1985. It’s the oldest “X” I could find. But I am happy to get more info

Indeed. The reference to Alto is in regard of how objects manifest on the screen. Again (and as you’ve mentioned really well) there is a functional POV and there is a visual POV.

Sorry interpreted the ! as screaming. Liam described the functions of Win95 really well ex. Launching user’s apps, displaying active tasks etc. These are functionalities profoundly connected to the MT. You’ve mentioned mac menu bar, it behaves the way it does because the original single task nature

Indeed, which is why I have mention you’re being litteral and for no reason. They all “copied’ from the original idiom, but from a functional POV you can scream as much as you want, but the iconbars we are talking about are related to the OS and the function they provided to the users.

They actually are from a function point of view. While from an implementation POV as a manifestation on screen, none of them is unique they are all basic structure with content of the same time and all inherited from the original Xerox paradigm.

Sounds like you’re being literal: fake as in not real multi-tasking present in Arthur. And no one is saying it wasn’t first on Acorns, quite the opposite.

Indeed. Tough, the story of Acorn to NeXT is a little off with the dates IMHO. NeXT Step started in mid 1986 and the first public appearance was release 0.8 demoed Oct 1988 with the Archi released with Arthur in June 1987 and with a fake iconbar, not the one of RISC OS 1989. But ok I believe Paul

But yes he did make the App launcher more useful than our, I give him that :)

My dear friend: "A panel across one whole long edge of the screen, and reading left-to-right, an app-launcher button first, then a row of buttons for open windows," Win95???? Really????? 😂 We shall sue them all then! (joking!) All uncle Bill did was moving the app launcher on the extreme left

Of course this will help a lot with porting code to #RISC_OS for example, given it's possible to write a #JS , #WASM , #Java , etc. transpiller to #UltimASM . Some of you has seen the early 6502 demo at the past RISC OS London show ;)

Now it allows all sorts of fun stuff like in the screenshots, or even write full applications and tools in #6502 / #6809 / #Z80 / #68K #Assembly for every system my UltimaVM supports. Yes you've heard it correctly! You'll be able to write multitasking apps in 6502 for Linux! 😂