It kinda was the first time thanks to American useful idiots

The most revealing statements in Ferguson’s thread were later on: “but if you want to take back territory & try Putin, you have to win the war”. I notice he doesn’t say “if you want territory you don’t hold, want to limit the army of the other side, & impose demands, you have to win the war”.

The only thing Trump’s done for Europe is encourage it to rearm, which Ferguson also urges. But backing the Kremlin’s “peace” plan is very curious.

Even if I were a Republican voter I’d never trust anyone tainted by this administration. Trump removes his underlings’ spines as a condition of employment. Rubio is no McCain.

Niall Ferguson’s a surprise to me (not that I’ve read him lately). What’s that about?

“One of the best…indicators of the fact that the points were to a large degree Russian in origin, was who tried (exceedingly clumsily) to back away when the language stories started emerging. That would be Vance’s greatest rival for the 2028 GOP nomination, Secretary of State Marco Rubio.”

He’s losing Congress next year if he can’t do a coup (and I can’t imagine many military officers would follow him into Hitler’s bunker at this point). Note that even Marjorie Taylor Greene just announced she’s leaving in January.

It’s against US interests as well. There’s no “pivot to Asia” - & if there were, how does it help US to have China’s ally rampaging westward unchecked? Victory makes Russia more powerful & dangerous.

This administration is just selling us all out to whichever foreign government fills its wallets.

All the MAGA trolls dont even live in the US.

Heather Cox Richardson wrote about this yesterday. Screenshots below about the Mariupol Plan. See link to full article in next comment.

The Mystery of the Ukraine Peace Plan (2017) #TrumpRussia #Ukraine www.theatlantic.com/internationa...

“Ukraine can and should restore its borders. But peace will not come from begging the Kremlin. It will come when the men who murdered children in Ternopil learn that America’s patience with their crimes has finally run out.”

Russians won’t confront their own imperialism “until America purges its own discourse of Moscow’s false narratives. Putin needs a reason to end Russia’s war, and America must give it. The Kremlin will spin retreat into triumph, but only when pressing on becomes riskier than stopping.”

“The invasion of Ukraine is not only an attempt to recolonize it but also a way to reassure the Russian peoples of their place within the imperial hierarchy.

No American strategy will be effective until officials fully recognize these [three factors] and calibrate policies accordingly.”