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mred53
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· Nov 18
For anyone curious about the history of my tiebreaker website, here's a brief thread including Wayback Machine links.
My changes to CUSA didn't get saved earlier today, but it should be good now.
November 26, 2025 at 6:43 AM
My changes to CUSA didn't get saved earlier today, but it should be good now.
It was pointed out that the CUSA tiebreaker apparently changed this season. The "Modified" date in the pdf properties is 11/16, so it was likely uploaded on or after that date. I've updated my CUSA logic to match.
November 25, 2025 at 8:03 PM
It was pointed out that the CUSA tiebreaker apparently changed this season. The "Modified" date in the pdf properties is 11/16, so it was likely uploaded on or after that date. I've updated my CUSA logic to match.
The MAC removed the tiebreaker document from their site (from 2024) and released tiebreaker scenarios. It's clear from the scenarios that they changed the tiebreaker logic in 2025 without publicly releasing it. getsomemaction.com/news/2025/11... (1/ )
2025 MAC Football Championship Game Tiebreakers
Potential 2025 MAC Football Championship Game Scenarios
getsomemaction.com
November 25, 2025 at 6:53 PM
The MAC removed the tiebreaker document from their site (from 2024) and released tiebreaker scenarios. It's clear from the scenarios that they changed the tiebreaker logic in 2025 without publicly releasing it. getsomemaction.com/news/2025/11... (1/ )
I forgot to post this yesterday:
There is a discrepancy between my tiebreaker and the scenarios released by the conference. According to the conference, if Tech and BYU lose, and Utah and ASU win, BYU is in the championship game. My site was saying ASU and Tech would be. (1/ )
There is a discrepancy between my tiebreaker and the scenarios released by the conference. According to the conference, if Tech and BYU lose, and Utah and ASU win, BYU is in the championship game. My site was saying ASU and Tech would be. (1/ )
November 25, 2025 at 6:51 PM
I forgot to post this yesterday:
There is a discrepancy between my tiebreaker and the scenarios released by the conference. According to the conference, if Tech and BYU lose, and Utah and ASU win, BYU is in the championship game. My site was saying ASU and Tech would be. (1/ )
There is a discrepancy between my tiebreaker and the scenarios released by the conference. According to the conference, if Tech and BYU lose, and Utah and ASU win, BYU is in the championship game. My site was saying ASU and Tech would be. (1/ )
2025-2026 basketball (MBB and WBB) is up and running. I haven't checked for any tiebreaker rule changes, but I have updated tournament bracket formats for each conference (or my best guess at it for conferences who haven't released them yet). (1/2)
November 12, 2025 at 11:09 PM
2025-2026 basketball (MBB and WBB) is up and running. I haven't checked for any tiebreaker rule changes, but I have updated tournament bracket formats for each conference (or my best guess at it for conferences who haven't released them yet). (1/2)
I've made a correction to my Pac 12 tiebreaker, believe it or not. A twitter user pointed out that the Nov 1 game between OSU and WSU was NOT technically a conference game. The Nov 29 game is the only Pac 12 conference game. This has been fixed.
November 10, 2025 at 7:56 PM
I've made a correction to my Pac 12 tiebreaker, believe it or not. A twitter user pointed out that the Nov 1 game between OSU and WSU was NOT technically a conference game. The Nov 29 game is the only Pac 12 conference game. This has been fixed.
There was an issue where in some cases people going to bball.notnothing.net were getting a default placeholder page instead of the actual website. I think this is now fixed, but let me know if there are any issues accessing the site.
bball.notnothing.net
November 7, 2025 at 5:03 PM
There was an issue where in some cases people going to bball.notnothing.net were getting a default placeholder page instead of the actual website. I think this is now fixed, but let me know if there are any issues accessing the site.
I've made a small change to the ACC logic:
If teams A, B, C, and D are all tied, my old logic had the tiebreaker running until the top team was determined, and then the tiebreaker would restart for all remaining teams. The ACC tiebreaker document is not clear ... (1/)
If teams A, B, C, and D are all tied, my old logic had the tiebreaker running until the top team was determined, and then the tiebreaker would restart for all remaining teams. The ACC tiebreaker document is not clear ... (1/)
November 6, 2025 at 7:43 PM
I've made a small change to the ACC logic:
If teams A, B, C, and D are all tied, my old logic had the tiebreaker running until the top team was determined, and then the tiebreaker would restart for all remaining teams. The ACC tiebreaker document is not clear ... (1/)
If teams A, B, C, and D are all tied, my old logic had the tiebreaker running until the top team was determined, and then the tiebreaker would restart for all remaining teams. The ACC tiebreaker document is not clear ... (1/)
bball.notnothing.net had some brief outages while I tried to get everything set up with DNS/SSL to run off a new server. I think it's all working now -- if it is down for you, it might just need some more time to propagate the changes through the DNS servers.
bball.notnothing.net
November 6, 2025 at 5:20 PM
bball.notnothing.net had some brief outages while I tried to get everything set up with DNS/SSL to run off a new server. I think it's all working now -- if it is down for you, it might just need some more time to propagate the changes through the DNS servers.
My primary server crashed this morning even with the tiebreaker logic offloaded, so now I've offloaded most of the logic that creates the schedule page as well. I'm hoping this fixes things, but let me know if there's any weirdness (or another server crash).
November 3, 2025 at 11:01 PM
My primary server crashed this morning even with the tiebreaker logic offloaded, so now I've offloaded most of the logic that creates the schedule page as well. I'm hoping this fixes things, but let me know if there's any weirdness (or another server crash).
Small fix: Future games with TBD times were showing up under the day before the actual game date -- the time became pre-midnight when UTC was converted to an American time zone. This did not affect anything other than display dates.
October 30, 2025 at 3:48 PM
Small fix: Future games with TBD times were showing up under the day before the actual game date -- the time became pre-midnight when UTC was converted to an American time zone. This did not affect anything other than display dates.
I've migrated the actual tiebreaker logic code for bball.notnothing.net to a scalable cloud platform, which will hopefully mitigate the crashes when things get busy (which they will in about 12 days based on past patterns). Let me know if anyone notices any weirdness.
bball.notnothing.net
October 28, 2025 at 10:23 PM
I've migrated the actual tiebreaker logic code for bball.notnothing.net to a scalable cloud platform, which will hopefully mitigate the crashes when things get busy (which they will in about 12 days based on past patterns). Let me know if anyone notices any weirdness.
An emailer pointed out a game that was complete but not showing up as complete on my website. This turned out to be a bug affecting OT games. This is now fixed.
September 22, 2025 at 8:41 PM
An emailer pointed out a game that was complete but not showing up as complete on my website. This turned out to be a bug affecting OT games. This is now fixed.
My 2025 NCAA football tiebreaker is up and running. I haven't looked at any tiebreaker changes (and if there are any, they are probably not public yet) but the schedules/teams are up-to-date.
June 5, 2025 at 8:38 PM
My 2025 NCAA football tiebreaker is up and running. I haven't looked at any tiebreaker changes (and if there are any, they are probably not public yet) but the schedules/teams are up-to-date.
I just discovered Iowa State WBB was #1 in 24-25 DI WBB in assists per FGM (using @stathead.com). ISU assisted on 70.39% of made FG, just ahead of Kansas State's 70.32%.
May 2, 2025 at 4:01 PM
I just discovered Iowa State WBB was #1 in 24-25 DI WBB in assists per FGM (using @stathead.com). ISU assisted on 70.39% of made FG, just ahead of Kansas State's 70.32%.
I saw a question somewhere about why the WNBA expansion team doesn't automatically get the first pick.
There's a pretty simple explanation -- it would penalize the current holder of the #1 pick way more than other teams. I pulled some data from @stathead.com to look at this.
There's a pretty simple explanation -- it would penalize the current holder of the #1 pick way more than other teams. I pulled some data from @stathead.com to look at this.
April 15, 2025 at 10:17 PM
I saw a question somewhere about why the WNBA expansion team doesn't automatically get the first pick.
There's a pretty simple explanation -- it would penalize the current holder of the #1 pick way more than other teams. I pulled some data from @stathead.com to look at this.
There's a pretty simple explanation -- it would penalize the current holder of the #1 pick way more than other teams. I pulled some data from @stathead.com to look at this.
I just realized WAC this season used the KenPom-influenced Resume Seeding System AFTER ordering teams by record and head-to-head results rather than doing all seeding with it. I've retroactively changed that in the WAC logic.
March 11, 2025 at 8:01 PM
I just realized WAC this season used the KenPom-influenced Resume Seeding System AFTER ordering teams by record and head-to-head results rather than doing all seeding with it. I've retroactively changed that in the WAC logic.
A little post-season analysis:
On 2/28, I posted that I expected around 100k scenarios generated 2/28-3/4 and 200k additional scenarios 3/5-3/9. The actual numbers were ~102,600 and ~205,600, so that was pretty accurate.
Overall there were ~446,700 scenarios generated 1/1-3/9.
On 2/28, I posted that I expected around 100k scenarios generated 2/28-3/4 and 200k additional scenarios 3/5-3/9. The actual numbers were ~102,600 and ~205,600, so that was pretty accurate.
Overall there were ~446,700 scenarios generated 1/1-3/9.
March 10, 2025 at 3:00 PM
A little post-season analysis:
On 2/28, I posted that I expected around 100k scenarios generated 2/28-3/4 and 200k additional scenarios 3/5-3/9. The actual numbers were ~102,600 and ~205,600, so that was pretty accurate.
Overall there were ~446,700 scenarios generated 1/1-3/9.
On 2/28, I posted that I expected around 100k scenarios generated 2/28-3/4 and 200k additional scenarios 3/5-3/9. The actual numbers were ~102,600 and ~205,600, so that was pretty accurate.
Overall there were ~446,700 scenarios generated 1/1-3/9.
My MAAC MBB results didn't agree with the conference and here's why:
After determining the top team in a three way tie, the tiebreaker is restarted for the other teams. HOWEVER, the MAAC still uses the round robin record among the original tied teams, which I wasn't doing.
After determining the top team in a three way tie, the tiebreaker is restarted for the other teams. HOWEVER, the MAAC still uses the round robin record among the original tied teams, which I wasn't doing.
March 9, 2025 at 7:52 AM
My MAAC MBB results didn't agree with the conference and here's why:
After determining the top team in a three way tie, the tiebreaker is restarted for the other teams. HOWEVER, the MAAC still uses the round robin record among the original tied teams, which I wasn't doing.
After determining the top team in a three way tie, the tiebreaker is restarted for the other teams. HOWEVER, the MAAC still uses the round robin record among the original tied teams, which I wasn't doing.
This was pointed out to me today by Ryan from Hammer and Rails regarding Big 10 MBB: there's a potential issue regarding a three-way tie if Purdue, Maryland, Wisconsin, and Michigan all win. If this happens, Purdue, Maryland, and Wisconsin are all tied for the #3 spot. (1/?)
March 6, 2025 at 5:02 PM
This was pointed out to me today by Ryan from Hammer and Rails regarding Big 10 MBB: there's a potential issue regarding a three-way tie if Purdue, Maryland, Wisconsin, and Michigan all win. If this happens, Purdue, Maryland, and Wisconsin are all tied for the #3 spot. (1/?)
The official Atlantic 10 WBB seedings do not agree with mine, and I do not agree with their interpretation of their tiebreaker. The issue is the 12 vs 13 seeds -- they have GW over Loyola Chicago and I have the opposite. Here's what's going on:
March 2, 2025 at 5:08 AM
The official Atlantic 10 WBB seedings do not agree with mine, and I do not agree with their interpretation of their tiebreaker. The issue is the 12 vs 13 seeds -- they have GW over Loyola Chicago and I have the opposite. Here's what's going on:
I've updated the Southland page with the current tiebreaker logic. There might be some edge cases that aren't working quite right, but it should be correct for the most part.
March 1, 2025 at 9:27 PM
I've updated the Southland page with the current tiebreaker logic. There might be some edge cases that aren't working quite right, but it should be correct for the most part.
Sun Belt WBB is now fixed. I'm still shocked that Sun Belt doesn't have every team play each other at least once, but whatever. Now, for all conferences, round-robin record is ignored if not all the tied teams played each other at least once.
March 1, 2025 at 4:18 PM
Sun Belt WBB is now fixed. I'm still shocked that Sun Belt doesn't have every team play each other at least once, but whatever. Now, for all conferences, round-robin record is ignored if not all the tied teams played each other at least once.
Looking at Sun Belt seeding, MBB matches what I have but WBB does not. I suspect it is related to the fact that Louisiana and Old Dominion did not play for some reason, so perhaps round robin record is skipped in the tie among those two + App State. I'll look into it tomorrow.
March 1, 2025 at 6:18 AM
Looking at Sun Belt seeding, MBB matches what I have but WBB does not. I suspect it is related to the fact that Louisiana and Old Dominion did not play for some reason, so perhaps round robin record is skipped in the tie among those two + App State. I'll look into it tomorrow.