Gotcha! Thanks for the quick response on that.

It's been depressing seeing how many people are all aboard with Arc Raiders despite the AI voices, just because the gameplay and aesthetics are solid.

Even worse: the technology EXISTS to respec, but it's paywalled.

614.12 is a complicated rule so it's possible I'm misinterpreting, but it seems like Arena has this interaction wrong and Grist should still enter with loyalty counters.

(5/5)

But Grist is noncreature by default; it's only a creature if we DO apply its ability. That ability won't apply on the battlefield, and 614.12 doesn't consider an object's characteristics BEFORE the zone change (e.g. a creature that "enters tapped" still will if Zombified vs. Yixlid Jailer).

(4/5)

That feels... Fairly out-of-line with 614.12's intent AND text, though? With the devotion case, your devotion to a color is information about the PLAYER; since the lookahead only considers the CREATURE (and effects that affect it), it won't ""update"" your devotion with the creature's pips.

(3/5)

There's a post circling that argues this is similar to how devotion interacts poorly with 614.12's lookahead - specifically, "while we're considering what Grist 'would look like on the battlefield', it ISN'T on the battlefield, which means its static ability applies, so Dress Down applies."

(2/5)

Good to know! This seems in-line with how removing, then restoring Nadu's ability in the same turn doesn't reset "spent" triggers. The mechanics are a bit different though; Koh actually DOES lose the ability between, rather than an effect suppressing it.

Will there be a CR update codifying this?

Another argument might be that "after that turn" refers to an undefined event (philosophically in line with 607.5a, though that ofc doesn't apply) because the control portion didn't work so can't mark what "that turn" means.

But that feels like justifying results, not following from intent.

(4/4)

722.1a's "the last one to be created is the one that works" COULD be argued to mean "the ENTIRE earlier ability - control AND extra turn - fails".

But "after that turn" seems to refer to "that player's next turn" - it doesn't use "if you do" or test if the control portion was successful.

(3/4)

How MTGO handled it was a single controlled turn (correct), then a single extra turn before yielding back, which seems... Odd. We expected one controlled turn, then -two- extra turns. But while 722 has rules for handling restrictions, it doesn't say much on additional effects.

(2/4)

"I know I made a lot of money throwing the community under the bus, and I'm not recanting any of the things I said because my Well-Reasoned Centrism was obviously always correct, but I'm starting to feel personally threatened so I'd like some meat shields between me and the Nazis I enabled." 🙄

2 minutes on Google, PROG:

- Improves mood and treats neurodegenerative disease:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC...

- Improves immune response and helps in cancer prevention:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC...

Hormones have SO MANY EFFECTS beyond just "boobs/erections/horny/menstruation".

The "don't wanna reward WOTC for the extreme proliferation of UB" in me is warring with "the card is, mechanically, EXACTLY up my alley for a mono-U commander".

I think the tiebreaker is "not a fan of the expansion symbol" but it was a fight for sure.