I think each of them revealed their true colors. I was initially a fan of all three, but each of them eventually showed that deep down their ego came first.

As I wrote several years ago.

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Spain and Mexico have a few movements but mostly, yes.

Schism is "the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff." They are well past that point. So the question is whether the Church will actually do anything. It's extremely rare for the Church to act.

Personally, I think (just my opinion) they have both automatically excommunicated themselves.

I don't think these characters are salvageable. Obviously the Church will go on. But there's obviously big money funding a schism.

I figured it out.

I think it needed to be retranslated because it was really inaccurate - not just the people's parts but the prayers of the priest.

I think the failed 1998 translation sounded better because it was in actual English. But they inserted ideological changes too, and that sunk it.

In the Latin Mass, they also elevate the host and chalice AFTER the consecration, not during, so it's like you miss the whole thing as it's happening.

It's interesting but there are a few elements that I prefer in the current Mass. For example, being able to see, hear, and pray along with the priest during the Eucharistic prayer. In the TLM, he whispers it in Latin with his back to you.

The ideology extends far beyond the liturgy. My guess is that most of the people in the anti-Francis movement don't actually go to the Latin Mass. They just like the idea of it.

Strickland did toss in some chant and there was incense, if I recall correctly. But my guess is that the music and so forth is what the congregation is used to.

It's a Novus Ordo guitar Mass held in a Maronite Church.