As a great Catch Wrestler once said to me its all grappling with different rule sets. BJJ is one sub wrestling is another - but it doesn't mean sub wrestling is BJJ though they have commonalities. No Gi in the states is collegiate wrestling plus - in the UK its more BJJ based or Catch Wrestling+

I know that BUT if you trace to origins of Carlson gracie stating his BJJ could be anyone in Gi or without a Gi. So he did sub wrestling applying his BJJ skills. He did the same in MMA (pride) and Lutre Livre. NOW people claim to do BJJ without ever wearing a Gi - which means they don't know BJJ!

No gi is sub wrestling not BJJ.

BULL - it is a pin when done properly there is no pressure on the neck. If you need to crank it for control your hold is shit !

Forcing the leg into a reaping position is a no no. The reason for the rule is safety - the same reason no heel hooks .... but every comp, rule set and event and age class is different. If you do not like the rule set don't enter the comp!

Thanks - as a coach its working with coaching who are concept based i am after. Also interesting to-see Rickson Gracie talking about his move to teaching more concept - his invisible jujitsu in his new book. Concepts are the goal like a bjj Jonathan livingstoke seagull -

Thanks me too!