Eating animals sounds 100% sane btw
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No you didn't. You only said they're numerous.
March 4, 2025 at 8:10 PM
No you didn't. You only said they're numerous.
Your racist doppelgänger trying to defend racism with the exact same logic.
March 4, 2025 at 8:10 PM
Your racist doppelgänger trying to defend racism with the exact same logic.
March 4, 2025 at 8:09 PM
Your racist doppelgänger trying to defend racism with the exact same logic.
Why do these differences matter morally? If you can't explain why they do, then they're just arbitrary/convenient to discriminate against.
March 4, 2025 at 8:08 PM
Why do these differences matter morally? If you can't explain why they do, then they're just arbitrary/convenient to discriminate against.
"as long as they're white"
March 4, 2025 at 8:07 PM
"as long as they're white"
"one includes all white people, the other doesn't so that's quite the difference innit"
March 4, 2025 at 8:06 PM
"one includes all white people, the other doesn't so that's quite the difference innit"
That's exactly the same mindset, and you've done a very poor job at disputing that. Still waiting for the morally significant difference(s).
March 4, 2025 at 8:06 PM
That's exactly the same mindset, and you've done a very poor job at disputing that. Still waiting for the morally significant difference(s).
Yes, both as humans, just with a ton of differences.
March 4, 2025 at 8:05 PM
Yes, both as humans, just with a ton of differences.
Being different doesn't mean the difference is morally relevant.
A white man has white skin and a black man has black skin. That's a difference. But it's a morally irrelevant one, and wrong to discriminate on that basis.
A white man has white skin and a black man has black skin. That's a difference. But it's a morally irrelevant one, and wrong to discriminate on that basis.
March 4, 2025 at 8:03 PM
Being different doesn't mean the difference is morally relevant.
A white man has white skin and a black man has black skin. That's a difference. But it's a morally irrelevant one, and wrong to discriminate on that basis.
A white man has white skin and a black man has black skin. That's a difference. But it's a morally irrelevant one, and wrong to discriminate on that basis.
"because race is a category that includes all white people and the others don't"
- a white supremacist
- a white supremacist
March 4, 2025 at 8:02 PM
"because race is a category that includes all white people and the others don't"
- a white supremacist
- a white supremacist
There you go. You just pick the one that's convenient (of that feels right) to discriminate against, like a racist or sexist would.
March 4, 2025 at 7:59 PM
There you go. You just pick the one that's convenient (of that feels right) to discriminate against, like a racist or sexist would.
Oh so it's the amount of differences?
Would it be okay to be racist if black people had a ton of differences with white people, then? Is that the "relevant" metric?
Would it be okay to be racist if black people had a ton of differences with white people, then? Is that the "relevant" metric?
March 4, 2025 at 7:58 PM
Oh so it's the amount of differences?
Would it be okay to be racist if black people had a ton of differences with white people, then? Is that the "relevant" metric?
Would it be okay to be racist if black people had a ton of differences with white people, then? Is that the "relevant" metric?
The only difference is the category.
What is the relevant difference between the categories?
What is the relevant difference between the categories?
March 4, 2025 at 7:57 PM
The only difference is the category.
What is the relevant difference between the categories?
What is the relevant difference between the categories?
How is it any more relevant than race or religion? If you can't explain why it's relevant, then it's arbitrary. Let's see.
March 4, 2025 at 7:55 PM
How is it any more relevant than race or religion? If you can't explain why it's relevant, then it's arbitrary. Let's see.
Yes? Species are different, religions are different, skin colors are different. Is that a reason to discriminate one against the other?
March 4, 2025 at 7:54 PM
Yes? Species are different, religions are different, skin colors are different. Is that a reason to discriminate one against the other?
The moral agency? We covered that, and you still wouldn't harm a human baby, despite not having any.
In other words, the only thing that truly matters to you is being human. Which you admitted.
In other words, the only thing that truly matters to you is being human. Which you admitted.
March 4, 2025 at 7:53 PM
The moral agency? We covered that, and you still wouldn't harm a human baby, despite not having any.
In other words, the only thing that truly matters to you is being human. Which you admitted.
In other words, the only thing that truly matters to you is being human. Which you admitted.
How is that a false equivalence?
You're claiming somebody is more valuable than somebody else by virtue of being human.
A racist claims that somebody is more valuable than somebody else by virtue of being white.
How is that any different, besides the category itself?
You're claiming somebody is more valuable than somebody else by virtue of being human.
A racist claims that somebody is more valuable than somebody else by virtue of being white.
How is that any different, besides the category itself?
March 4, 2025 at 7:52 PM
How is that a false equivalence?
You're claiming somebody is more valuable than somebody else by virtue of being human.
A racist claims that somebody is more valuable than somebody else by virtue of being white.
How is that any different, besides the category itself?
You're claiming somebody is more valuable than somebody else by virtue of being human.
A racist claims that somebody is more valuable than somebody else by virtue of being white.
How is that any different, besides the category itself?
Just because it keeps growing overall (and is predicted to keep growing) doesn't mean it hasn't had an impact. It's just so astronomically widespread that even hundreds of thousands of animals won't make a chart like that budge.
But for all these individual animals, it's their entire lives.
But for all these individual animals, it's their entire lives.
March 4, 2025 at 7:49 PM
Just because it keeps growing overall (and is predicted to keep growing) doesn't mean it hasn't had an impact. It's just so astronomically widespread that even hundreds of thousands of animals won't make a chart like that budge.
But for all these individual animals, it's their entire lives.
But for all these individual animals, it's their entire lives.
Yep, that would be very racist of me. Speciesism is the same mindset, just with another arbitrary category. Like sexism, etc.
March 4, 2025 at 7:46 PM
Yep, that would be very racist of me. Speciesism is the same mindset, just with another arbitrary category. Like sexism, etc.
And my words have nothing to do with an appeal to nature, which you'd know if you had read the link.
March 4, 2025 at 7:45 PM
And my words have nothing to do with an appeal to nature, which you'd know if you had read the link.
"nope, just being white is good enough for me"
March 4, 2025 at 7:42 PM
"nope, just being white is good enough for me"
You didn't read that link, did you? An appeal to nature is saying something is good because it's natural. How is that in any way close to what I've been saying?
March 4, 2025 at 7:41 PM
You didn't read that link, did you? An appeal to nature is saying something is good because it's natural. How is that in any way close to what I've been saying?
There you go. Essentially because they're part of the same group as you do. Now tell me, how is that any less arbitrary than any other group, e.g.:
- because they're part of the same race
- because they're part of the same religion
- because they're part of the same gender
?
- because they're part of the same race
- because they're part of the same religion
- because they're part of the same gender
?
March 4, 2025 at 7:39 PM
There you go. Essentially because they're part of the same group as you do. Now tell me, how is that any less arbitrary than any other group, e.g.:
- because they're part of the same race
- because they're part of the same religion
- because they're part of the same gender
?
- because they're part of the same race
- because they're part of the same religion
- because they're part of the same gender
?
You know what supply & demand is, right?
March 4, 2025 at 7:35 PM
You know what supply & demand is, right?
Yes. So? The relevant difference is "being part of the human species"?
March 4, 2025 at 7:33 PM
Yes. So? The relevant difference is "being part of the human species"?