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“When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called ‘the People's Stick" - Bakunin
This goes back to the conflict within the First International Workingmen’s Association, described in Statism and Anarchy by Bakunin. Socialists who want to abolish hierarchies and socialists who want to supposedly take control over them to bring about system. It won’t work
November 23, 2025 at 3:39 PM
This goes back to the conflict within the First International Workingmen’s Association, described in Statism and Anarchy by Bakunin. Socialists who want to abolish hierarchies and socialists who want to supposedly take control over them to bring about system. It won’t work
I’ve explained why I think you’re wrong, if you’re advocating seizing state power as a strategy. That’s not an anarchist idea, it’s a statist / Marxist strategy. From what you’ve described you don’t sound like an Anarchist. Which is fine, live your best life, I just disagree.
November 23, 2025 at 3:37 PM
I’ve explained why I think you’re wrong, if you’re advocating seizing state power as a strategy. That’s not an anarchist idea, it’s a statist / Marxist strategy. From what you’ve described you don’t sound like an Anarchist. Which is fine, live your best life, I just disagree.
-rewards those who hoard power and act selfishly, rewards those who are willing to harm others and order such things.
November 23, 2025 at 3:31 PM
-rewards those who hoard power and act selfishly, rewards those who are willing to harm others and order such things.
I’m speaking of lord of the rings, specifically gandalfs dialogue when being offered the ring. I think it sums up what anarchists believe at state socialists who believe they can take power and do good. You may set out wanting to do good, but through you the system will bend you to its will.
November 23, 2025 at 3:29 PM
I’m speaking of lord of the rings, specifically gandalfs dialogue when being offered the ring. I think it sums up what anarchists believe at state socialists who believe they can take power and do good. You may set out wanting to do good, but through you the system will bend you to its will.
Some of these people don’t do anything bad, others do criminal things, others fulfill roles within the government or corporations where their lack of empathy benefits them. That’s what I’m saying, design a system where everything is horizontal, since in a hierarchical system-
November 23, 2025 at 3:28 PM
Some of these people don’t do anything bad, others do criminal things, others fulfill roles within the government or corporations where their lack of empathy benefits them. That’s what I’m saying, design a system where everything is horizontal, since in a hierarchical system-
You’re talking about some theory that I’m not talking about. I’m speaking about the objective fact that some people cannot physically feel empathy (psychopaths). Not people who are convinced to treat others as lesser, people who genuinely don’t feel empathy.
November 23, 2025 at 3:26 PM
You’re talking about some theory that I’m not talking about. I’m speaking about the objective fact that some people cannot physically feel empathy (psychopaths). Not people who are convinced to treat others as lesser, people who genuinely don’t feel empathy.
Power does both. It corrupts the good who try and wield it and attracts those whose sole aim in wielding it is to hurt others for their gain.
It’s like the one ring in lord of the rings.
It’s like the one ring in lord of the rings.
November 23, 2025 at 3:13 PM
Power does both. It corrupts the good who try and wield it and attracts those whose sole aim in wielding it is to hurt others for their gain.
It’s like the one ring in lord of the rings.
It’s like the one ring in lord of the rings.
Vast majority of people feel empathy, and many from this group are convinced not to feel for some. Most hardline neo-nazis or whatever other terrible group you find likely can feel empathy physically, but through what they learned convince themselves these feelings don’t matter due to racist hate.
November 23, 2025 at 3:02 PM
Vast majority of people feel empathy, and many from this group are convinced not to feel for some. Most hardline neo-nazis or whatever other terrible group you find likely can feel empathy physically, but through what they learned convince themselves these feelings don’t matter due to racist hate.
Dangerous in the criminal sense. I’m speaking beyond that. Those guys can go on to become military officers, police / ICE agents, CEOs and harm many. If they don’t feel empathy, there’s nothing to build on.
Again, very small 0.1 percent of the population are psychopaths
Again, very small 0.1 percent of the population are psychopaths
November 23, 2025 at 3:00 PM
Dangerous in the criminal sense. I’m speaking beyond that. Those guys can go on to become military officers, police / ICE agents, CEOs and harm many. If they don’t feel empathy, there’s nothing to build on.
Again, very small 0.1 percent of the population are psychopaths
Again, very small 0.1 percent of the population are psychopaths
Hierarchies must be replaced by horizontal systems in the here and now. Not as some end goal, the means are the ends. Organizing worker councils, community councils, mutual aid networks, all of that goes into the idea of prefiguration
November 23, 2025 at 2:58 PM
Hierarchies must be replaced by horizontal systems in the here and now. Not as some end goal, the means are the ends. Organizing worker councils, community councils, mutual aid networks, all of that goes into the idea of prefiguration
Aside from my previous point, that strategy isn’t really anarchist. Our ideology is built on the idea that hierarchical systems by their very nature, cannot be changed. You can’t elect better people to change the laws or appoint a ruling class that won’t act as a ruling class.
November 23, 2025 at 2:57 PM
Aside from my previous point, that strategy isn’t really anarchist. Our ideology is built on the idea that hierarchical systems by their very nature, cannot be changed. You can’t elect better people to change the laws or appoint a ruling class that won’t act as a ruling class.
That strategy never really worked for systemic change though. All the European social demotic parties that came to power and new deal democrats in the US. The government and ruling class only works with unions for example, when it benefits them. At other times they just repress them or co-opt them.
November 23, 2025 at 2:55 PM
That strategy never really worked for systemic change though. All the European social demotic parties that came to power and new deal democrats in the US. The government and ruling class only works with unions for example, when it benefits them. At other times they just repress them or co-opt them.
-the truly anti-social people who clinically cannot feel empathy, can only really be limited by a better system, a system that disables them from commanding others to do harm. 0.1 percent of the population perhaps, so it doesn’t matter, but psychopaths do exist
November 23, 2025 at 2:51 PM
-the truly anti-social people who clinically cannot feel empathy, can only really be limited by a better system, a system that disables them from commanding others to do harm. 0.1 percent of the population perhaps, so it doesn’t matter, but psychopaths do exist
I mean it in a clinical sense. Some people do not feel empathy, and they benefit from the current system. They exist, and weren’t invented.
Now most people feel empathy, but are convinced through propaganda, threat from the system, and substances to go hurt others. These people are redeemable-
Now most people feel empathy, but are convinced through propaganda, threat from the system, and substances to go hurt others. These people are redeemable-
November 23, 2025 at 2:50 PM
I mean it in a clinical sense. Some people do not feel empathy, and they benefit from the current system. They exist, and weren’t invented.
Now most people feel empathy, but are convinced through propaganda, threat from the system, and substances to go hurt others. These people are redeemable-
Now most people feel empathy, but are convinced through propaganda, threat from the system, and substances to go hurt others. These people are redeemable-
Ah so damage control? I agree with that tactic.
I just don’t think we should dilute ourselves into thinking we should get leftists involved to create systemic change. So long as it is just mild involvement to lessen the damage, as we organize real change, I think it’s useful.
I just don’t think we should dilute ourselves into thinking we should get leftists involved to create systemic change. So long as it is just mild involvement to lessen the damage, as we organize real change, I think it’s useful.
November 23, 2025 at 2:46 PM
Ah so damage control? I agree with that tactic.
I just don’t think we should dilute ourselves into thinking we should get leftists involved to create systemic change. So long as it is just mild involvement to lessen the damage, as we organize real change, I think it’s useful.
I just don’t think we should dilute ourselves into thinking we should get leftists involved to create systemic change. So long as it is just mild involvement to lessen the damage, as we organize real change, I think it’s useful.
Some people are selfish psychopaths who will not change. The vast majority can change, so hate shouldn’t be part of opposing them, I agree.
November 23, 2025 at 2:44 PM
Some people are selfish psychopaths who will not change. The vast majority can change, so hate shouldn’t be part of opposing them, I agree.
One may desire to create change, but they will always fail. Either they will be toppled by someone willing to do bad things they’re unwilling to do or they themselves will do those things. Those who hoard power and work towards expanding their power are the ones who win in the game of hierarchies.
November 23, 2025 at 2:43 PM
One may desire to create change, but they will always fail. Either they will be toppled by someone willing to do bad things they’re unwilling to do or they themselves will do those things. Those who hoard power and work towards expanding their power are the ones who win in the game of hierarchies.
Shouldn’t we instead focus on grassroots organizing? And prefiguration of the next system through establishing directly democratic councils and mutual aid networks?
November 23, 2025 at 2:42 PM
Shouldn’t we instead focus on grassroots organizing? And prefiguration of the next system through establishing directly democratic councils and mutual aid networks?
Electoral politics is designed (intentionally and unintentionally) to waste our time. Look at all the social democrats and socialists elected to state power, everytime they compromise their views and don’t deliver. It’s a design of hierarchical systems, the system can only perpetuate itself.
November 23, 2025 at 2:41 PM
Electoral politics is designed (intentionally and unintentionally) to waste our time. Look at all the social democrats and socialists elected to state power, everytime they compromise their views and don’t deliver. It’s a design of hierarchical systems, the system can only perpetuate itself.
I agree hate has no part in our ideology. Revenge and reprisals do nothing if the system remains the same.
Many are a result of circumstance, and that understanding usually gets lessens hate.
Of course, that emotion isn’t entirely bad. One should be indignant in the face of injustice.
Many are a result of circumstance, and that understanding usually gets lessens hate.
Of course, that emotion isn’t entirely bad. One should be indignant in the face of injustice.
November 23, 2025 at 2:40 PM
I agree hate has no part in our ideology. Revenge and reprisals do nothing if the system remains the same.
Many are a result of circumstance, and that understanding usually gets lessens hate.
Of course, that emotion isn’t entirely bad. One should be indignant in the face of injustice.
Many are a result of circumstance, and that understanding usually gets lessens hate.
Of course, that emotion isn’t entirely bad. One should be indignant in the face of injustice.
Thank you, not a lot of people on this app would say that 🙂
Also, why so focused on electoral politics?
Also, why so focused on electoral politics?
November 23, 2025 at 2:07 PM
Thank you, not a lot of people on this app would say that 🙂
Also, why so focused on electoral politics?
Also, why so focused on electoral politics?
We should keep doors open and try sure… but we shouldnt let it influence how much we oppose them
November 23, 2025 at 2:06 PM
We should keep doors open and try sure… but we shouldnt let it influence how much we oppose them
In a thought experiment sense, yes everyone can change (eventually). But how long would it take? Say you had the chance to convince Hitler he was wrong. If it’ll take hundreds of years to convince him… that’s not really feasible is it?
November 23, 2025 at 2:06 PM
In a thought experiment sense, yes everyone can change (eventually). But how long would it take? Say you had the chance to convince Hitler he was wrong. If it’ll take hundreds of years to convince him… that’s not really feasible is it?