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Valid, though I think that if you're going to call someone out, you should be prepared for them to respond as well.
Appreciate the open convo on this btw (think that's important to say and same to other peeps). I'll be calling it for this evening and wish you a good day/night!
Appreciate the open convo on this btw (think that's important to say and same to other peeps). I'll be calling it for this evening and wish you a good day/night!
December 5, 2025 at 6:59 PM
Valid, though I think that if you're going to call someone out, you should be prepared for them to respond as well.
Appreciate the open convo on this btw (think that's important to say and same to other peeps). I'll be calling it for this evening and wish you a good day/night!
Appreciate the open convo on this btw (think that's important to say and same to other peeps). I'll be calling it for this evening and wish you a good day/night!
Yeah, we're in agreement on that. To put it in other words, I think her responses could have been worded far better/done in a better way.
They were done in a time of frustration and anger, which is never the best way to do these things and why I believe she took a break from X.
They were done in a time of frustration and anger, which is never the best way to do these things and why I believe she took a break from X.
December 5, 2025 at 6:50 PM
Yeah, we're in agreement on that. To put it in other words, I think her responses could have been worded far better/done in a better way.
They were done in a time of frustration and anger, which is never the best way to do these things and why I believe she took a break from X.
They were done in a time of frustration and anger, which is never the best way to do these things and why I believe she took a break from X.
Wasn't clear, sorry. Agree that Zen's responses didn't help, but disagree that allegations of this nature are better left without a response.
December 5, 2025 at 6:37 PM
Wasn't clear, sorry. Agree that Zen's responses didn't help, but disagree that allegations of this nature are better left without a response.
But that logic works both ways.
Podge didn't have to call out Zen directly and could have made a general post about Nazi attire. Then they'd have the defense that it wasn't about Zen etc.
Zen, her artists and friends were also harassed as part of this.
Podge didn't have to call out Zen directly and could have made a general post about Nazi attire. Then they'd have the defense that it wasn't about Zen etc.
Zen, her artists and friends were also harassed as part of this.
December 5, 2025 at 6:34 PM
But that logic works both ways.
Podge didn't have to call out Zen directly and could have made a general post about Nazi attire. Then they'd have the defense that it wasn't about Zen etc.
Zen, her artists and friends were also harassed as part of this.
Podge didn't have to call out Zen directly and could have made a general post about Nazi attire. Then they'd have the defense that it wasn't about Zen etc.
Zen, her artists and friends were also harassed as part of this.
Yes and no. Zen doesn't post here at all, but these allegations took off over here with people even trying to get her kicked from Jingle Jam, going after her friends etc
The allegations themselves are extreme too. It's not the usual "X is a backstabber" level of drama that usually pops up.
The allegations themselves are extreme too. It's not the usual "X is a backstabber" level of drama that usually pops up.
December 5, 2025 at 6:07 PM
Yes and no. Zen doesn't post here at all, but these allegations took off over here with people even trying to get her kicked from Jingle Jam, going after her friends etc
The allegations themselves are extreme too. It's not the usual "X is a backstabber" level of drama that usually pops up.
The allegations themselves are extreme too. It's not the usual "X is a backstabber" level of drama that usually pops up.
The point I'm making is that they didn't need those coordinates to begin with. Just search 'zentreya' and the posts pop up.
The people acting in bad faith would harass regardless of whether it was a general statement of direct reply.
The people acting in bad faith would harass regardless of whether it was a general statement of direct reply.
December 5, 2025 at 6:01 PM
The point I'm making is that they didn't need those coordinates to begin with. Just search 'zentreya' and the posts pop up.
The people acting in bad faith would harass regardless of whether it was a general statement of direct reply.
The people acting in bad faith would harass regardless of whether it was a general statement of direct reply.
And to go back to my earlier statement, then just block her and move on. There's far more pressing issues in this world that what a streamer said or an outfit.
So I'd say spend that time on energy on that instead, rather than on a streamer who lost their cool and said something they didn't mean 🤷♂️
So I'd say spend that time on energy on that instead, rather than on a streamer who lost their cool and said something they didn't mean 🤷♂️
December 5, 2025 at 5:58 PM
And to go back to my earlier statement, then just block her and move on. There's far more pressing issues in this world that what a streamer said or an outfit.
So I'd say spend that time on energy on that instead, rather than on a streamer who lost their cool and said something they didn't mean 🤷♂️
So I'd say spend that time on energy on that instead, rather than on a streamer who lost their cool and said something they didn't mean 🤷♂️
bsky.app/profile/sque...
Post with link to VOD @ timestamp for apology and some talk about the design and situation.
Post with link to VOD @ timestamp for apology and some talk about the design and situation.
I have no 🐎in this race, but Zen apologized just now, denouncing Nazi ideas, fascism, & saying all but Nazis are welcome in her community. She shows inspiration refs, apologizes for her words & claims being heated after seeing her artist get harassed
Link to Time Code www.twitch.tv/videos/26310...
Link to Time Code www.twitch.tv/videos/26310...
December 5, 2025 at 4:33 PM
bsky.app/profile/sque...
Post with link to VOD @ timestamp for apology and some talk about the design and situation.
Post with link to VOD @ timestamp for apology and some talk about the design and situation.
Valid, a general post may have been better, but I don't think the fallout would have been any less. Even with a vague statement, it's easy enough to find related posts and the haters would still stir up trouble, though the individuals may feel less directly attacked by Zen (regardless of intent)
December 5, 2025 at 4:27 PM
Valid, a general post may have been better, but I don't think the fallout would have been any less. Even with a vague statement, it's easy enough to find related posts and the haters would still stir up trouble, though the individuals may feel less directly attacked by Zen (regardless of intent)
She apologised for the dogwhistling on stream. Video's been posted plenty (also by Cuppy).
December 5, 2025 at 4:20 PM
She apologised for the dogwhistling on stream. Video's been posted plenty (also by Cuppy).
Which is why I think she's taking a break for now, so to not fuel the fire any further.
December 5, 2025 at 4:19 PM
Which is why I think she's taking a break for now, so to not fuel the fire any further.
Which she already apologised for. You can accept it, or you can move on, or continue to attack her for it. The last option just makes you as bad as the haters on the other side.
December 5, 2025 at 4:17 PM
Which she already apologised for. You can accept it, or you can move on, or continue to attack her for it. The last option just makes you as bad as the haters on the other side.
Appreciate the convo btw.
But why is it unacceptable to defend yourself against false allegations? Is the expectation that Zen takes the hit to her reputation without responding?
But why is it unacceptable to defend yourself against false allegations? Is the expectation that Zen takes the hit to her reputation without responding?
December 5, 2025 at 1:16 PM
Appreciate the convo btw.
But why is it unacceptable to defend yourself against false allegations? Is the expectation that Zen takes the hit to her reputation without responding?
But why is it unacceptable to defend yourself against false allegations? Is the expectation that Zen takes the hit to her reputation without responding?
What impact will it really have that wasn't already being caused by issues outside of the vtuber space?
December 5, 2025 at 1:02 PM
What impact will it really have that wasn't already being caused by issues outside of the vtuber space?
Oh I understand, but sometimes it's also better to just not fuel the fire to begin with. Zen's on a break now which I think is good.
The haters and trolls will likely just move on to the next 'big drama'.
The haters and trolls will likely just move on to the next 'big drama'.
December 5, 2025 at 12:52 PM
Oh I understand, but sometimes it's also better to just not fuel the fire to begin with. Zen's on a break now which I think is good.
The haters and trolls will likely just move on to the next 'big drama'.
The haters and trolls will likely just move on to the next 'big drama'.
Cuppy has also stated that they want to move on from this and has asked "that people stop speaking on my behalf, defending me or interacting with them" whilst she deals with some of the abusive users via official channels, so I'd say let's leave her out of this.
December 5, 2025 at 12:48 PM
Cuppy has also stated that they want to move on from this and has asked "that people stop speaking on my behalf, defending me or interacting with them" whilst she deals with some of the abusive users via official channels, so I'd say let's leave her out of this.
1. Cuppy and Zen already made up on X days ago
2. I think that applies to both sides of the argument here. Also to Podge, Ella etc. Maybe better to just let this die down now rather than continuing to blow this up.
3. Said multiple times already, but can't stop X/bsky users doing what they do.
2. I think that applies to both sides of the argument here. Also to Podge, Ella etc. Maybe better to just let this die down now rather than continuing to blow this up.
3. Said multiple times already, but can't stop X/bsky users doing what they do.
December 5, 2025 at 12:42 PM
1. Cuppy and Zen already made up on X days ago
2. I think that applies to both sides of the argument here. Also to Podge, Ella etc. Maybe better to just let this die down now rather than continuing to blow this up.
3. Said multiple times already, but can't stop X/bsky users doing what they do.
2. I think that applies to both sides of the argument here. Also to Podge, Ella etc. Maybe better to just let this die down now rather than continuing to blow this up.
3. Said multiple times already, but can't stop X/bsky users doing what they do.
Just to say Zen and members of her mod team have posted to both Discord and X to not spread hate and that those that do aren't real member of her community
Pretty sure she's on a break from X at the mo as well, but it's unreasonable to expect creators to be able to control "fans" acting in bad faith
Pretty sure she's on a break from X at the mo as well, but it's unreasonable to expect creators to be able to control "fans" acting in bad faith
December 5, 2025 at 12:25 PM
Just to say Zen and members of her mod team have posted to both Discord and X to not spread hate and that those that do aren't real member of her community
Pretty sure she's on a break from X at the mo as well, but it's unreasonable to expect creators to be able to control "fans" acting in bad faith
Pretty sure she's on a break from X at the mo as well, but it's unreasonable to expect creators to be able to control "fans" acting in bad faith
ALA is a bit of a throwback to her VRChat days when she was commander of the Anti-Lewd Army.
November 30, 2025 at 12:22 AM
ALA is a bit of a throwback to her VRChat days when she was commander of the Anti-Lewd Army.
The kale I mean ^^;
February 2, 2025 at 10:55 PM
The kale I mean ^^;
The dutch use it for 'boerenkool stamppot'. Basically chopped fine and added to mashed potatoes with a bit of mustard or whatever flavours you'd like to add. Traditionally served with smoked sausage and gravy, but probably good with other things too :)
February 2, 2025 at 10:55 PM
The dutch use it for 'boerenkool stamppot'. Basically chopped fine and added to mashed potatoes with a bit of mustard or whatever flavours you'd like to add. Traditionally served with smoked sausage and gravy, but probably good with other things too :)