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keyboards are exempt… whole thing is a joke now lol… let’s tariff everything but the 90% of important things imported.
April 12, 2025 at 7:23 PM
keyboards are exempt… whole thing is a joke now lol… let’s tariff everything but the 90% of important things imported.
i’m not saying you, i’m just citing the EOs
April 11, 2025 at 11:01 PM
i’m not saying you, i’m just citing the EOs
You’re right - the 125%/145% comes from EO14257’s HTSUS updates. I was focusing on the 120% from EO14256 §2/c/i, applying to postal flat rate alternatives. But since §2/a forces formal entry & references EO14195 & HTSUS, the correct rate for private imports like DHL is 125% under 9903.01.63. :D
April 11, 2025 at 11:00 PM
You’re right - the 125%/145% comes from EO14257’s HTSUS updates. I was focusing on the 120% from EO14256 §2/c/i, applying to postal flat rate alternatives. But since §2/a forces formal entry & references EO14195 & HTSUS, the correct rate for private imports like DHL is 125% under 9903.01.63. :D
2(a) governs everything else, and clearly says:
“…with all applicable duties, including those imposed by section 2(a) of Executive Order 14195…”
So the fallback for DHL/private carriers is not regular MFN rates - it’s the emergency duties from EO 14195 as amended.
“…with all applicable duties, including those imposed by section 2(a) of Executive Order 14195…”
So the fallback for DHL/private carriers is not regular MFN rates - it’s the emergency duties from EO 14195 as amended.
April 11, 2025 at 10:47 PM
2(a) governs everything else, and clearly says:
“…with all applicable duties, including those imposed by section 2(a) of Executive Order 14195…”
So the fallback for DHL/private carriers is not regular MFN rates - it’s the emergency duties from EO 14195 as amended.
“…with all applicable duties, including those imposed by section 2(a) of Executive Order 14195…”
So the fallback for DHL/private carriers is not regular MFN rates - it’s the emergency duties from EO 14195 as amended.
Correct, you’re not wrong, §2(b)–(c) only apply to postal. But §2(a) forces non-postal PRC shipments into formal entry, with all applicable duties, including those in EO 14195 as amended by EO 14228. That’s 120% ad valorem. MFN doesn’t apply, EO rates override under IEEPA.
April 11, 2025 at 10:45 PM
Correct, you’re not wrong, §2(b)–(c) only apply to postal. But §2(a) forces non-postal PRC shipments into formal entry, with all applicable duties, including those in EO 14195 as amended by EO 14228. That’s 120% ad valorem. MFN doesn’t apply, EO rates override under IEEPA.
tldr: DHL/private PRC shipments must use formal entry, triggering EO 14195/14228 tariffs (now 120%). Regular tariffs (MFN) don’t apply because the EOs override them under IEEPA. Only postal shipments get flat rates “in lieu of other duties”. DHL isn’t postal, so gets no fallback.
April 11, 2025 at 10:33 PM
tldr: DHL/private PRC shipments must use formal entry, triggering EO 14195/14228 tariffs (now 120%). Regular tariffs (MFN) don’t apply because the EOs override them under IEEPA. Only postal shipments get flat rates “in lieu of other duties”. DHL isn’t postal, so gets no fallback.
I see that there’s confusion because it is all sort of in the context of postal shipments but the wording states that it overrides regular rates, period. For private shippers like DHL therefore the fallback isn’t MFN rates, it’s the emergency rate of 120%.
Hope that clears it up :D
Hope that clears it up :D
April 11, 2025 at 10:26 PM
I see that there’s confusion because it is all sort of in the context of postal shipments but the wording states that it overrides regular rates, period. For private shippers like DHL therefore the fallback isn’t MFN rates, it’s the emergency rate of 120%.
Hope that clears it up :D
Hope that clears it up :D
First they get rid of it generally:
"Duty-free de minimis treatment under 19 U.S.C. 1321(a)(2)(C) shall no longer be available for products of the PRC..."
EO 14195, Sec. 1
Then they override HTSUS rates by invoking emergency powers under IEEPA & NEA to apply special rates:
EO 14256, Sec. 2(b)(i)
"Duty-free de minimis treatment under 19 U.S.C. 1321(a)(2)(C) shall no longer be available for products of the PRC..."
EO 14195, Sec. 1
Then they override HTSUS rates by invoking emergency powers under IEEPA & NEA to apply special rates:
EO 14256, Sec. 2(b)(i)
April 11, 2025 at 10:24 PM
First they get rid of it generally:
"Duty-free de minimis treatment under 19 U.S.C. 1321(a)(2)(C) shall no longer be available for products of the PRC..."
EO 14195, Sec. 1
Then they override HTSUS rates by invoking emergency powers under IEEPA & NEA to apply special rates:
EO 14256, Sec. 2(b)(i)
"Duty-free de minimis treatment under 19 U.S.C. 1321(a)(2)(C) shall no longer be available for products of the PRC..."
EO 14195, Sec. 1
Then they override HTSUS rates by invoking emergency powers under IEEPA & NEA to apply special rates:
EO 14256, Sec. 2(b)(i)
Ref:
“…, all shipments of articles...that are products of the PRC or Hong Kong; that are sent to the United States”
EO after EO 14195, Section 2(a)
“Any carrier that transports international postal items...must have an international carrier bond to ensure payment of the duty...”
EO 14256 Sec. 2(d)
“…, all shipments of articles...that are products of the PRC or Hong Kong; that are sent to the United States”
EO after EO 14195, Section 2(a)
“Any carrier that transports international postal items...must have an international carrier bond to ensure payment of the duty...”
EO 14256 Sec. 2(d)
April 11, 2025 at 10:18 PM
Ref:
“…, all shipments of articles...that are products of the PRC or Hong Kong; that are sent to the United States”
EO after EO 14195, Section 2(a)
“Any carrier that transports international postal items...must have an international carrier bond to ensure payment of the duty...”
EO 14256 Sec. 2(d)
“…, all shipments of articles...that are products of the PRC or Hong Kong; that are sent to the United States”
EO after EO 14195, Section 2(a)
“Any carrier that transports international postal items...must have an international carrier bond to ensure payment of the duty...”
EO 14256 Sec. 2(d)
Non-postal shipments from the PRC wouldn't just have normal tariffs. They would be subject to the additional ad valorem tariffs specified in the executive orders. So, for low-value PRC-origin goods (<$800) via carriers like DHL, they would face the higher ad valorem rates (e.g., 120%).
April 11, 2025 at 10:12 PM
Non-postal shipments from the PRC wouldn't just have normal tariffs. They would be subject to the additional ad valorem tariffs specified in the executive orders. So, for low-value PRC-origin goods (<$800) via carriers like DHL, they would face the higher ad valorem rates (e.g., 120%).
it doesn’t just apply to postal shipments, if you read the EO it says the % is for flagged/non postal. so it’s all packages.
April 11, 2025 at 8:13 PM
it doesn’t just apply to postal shipments, if you read the EO it says the % is for flagged/non postal. so it’s all packages.
I can’t keep up feeding this into the RAG… lol
April 11, 2025 at 8:12 PM
I can’t keep up feeding this into the RAG… lol
summary I made yesterday for discord:
April 10, 2025 at 9:05 PM
summary I made yesterday for discord:
it will be positive going forward - I assume Bessets country club buddies are angry and now they’re flooding the media with “positive” trade talk bullet points of 70 countries ready to negotiate blah blah
cheetos said yesterday “permanent can mean negotiations”.
cheetos said yesterday “permanent can mean negotiations”.
April 8, 2025 at 6:02 PM
it will be positive going forward - I assume Bessets country club buddies are angry and now they’re flooding the media with “positive” trade talk bullet points of 70 countries ready to negotiate blah blah
cheetos said yesterday “permanent can mean negotiations”.
cheetos said yesterday “permanent can mean negotiations”.
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April 8, 2025 at 11:18 AM
Vorfreudeklackenschmerz.
de minimis, from 2nd may IF implemented, is 30% of the value or $25 per shipment from CN/HK and will, like last time, most likely be charged on the shipping cost and not on delivery.
btw. you produce and ship the products, you set the value with the shipper. ;)
btw. you produce and ship the products, you set the value with the shipper. ;)
April 8, 2025 at 10:57 AM
de minimis, from 2nd may IF implemented, is 30% of the value or $25 per shipment from CN/HK and will, like last time, most likely be charged on the shipping cost and not on delivery.
btw. you produce and ship the products, you set the value with the shipper. ;)
btw. you produce and ship the products, you set the value with the shipper. ;)
not sure if they know, but the EO for the de minimis exemption says 30% tax on the value OR $25 per package and HE has to pay that for the customer ahead of time due to how USPS works. it also only applies to shipments from China/HK. it’s a very uniformed open letter :D
April 8, 2025 at 10:24 AM
not sure if they know, but the EO for the de minimis exemption says 30% tax on the value OR $25 per package and HE has to pay that for the customer ahead of time due to how USPS works. it also only applies to shipments from China/HK. it’s a very uniformed open letter :D
everything for keyboards and keyboard themselves comes from
china… it’s a big problem for US based vendors. ordering directly from abroad will be cheaper than buying from a US shop. even worse, GMK has a very slim margin and comes from Germany.
btw. most big keyboard servers forbid political talk.
china… it’s a big problem for US based vendors. ordering directly from abroad will be cheaper than buying from a US shop. even worse, GMK has a very slim margin and comes from Germany.
btw. most big keyboard servers forbid political talk.
April 8, 2025 at 10:21 AM
everything for keyboards and keyboard themselves comes from
china… it’s a big problem for US based vendors. ordering directly from abroad will be cheaper than buying from a US shop. even worse, GMK has a very slim margin and comes from Germany.
btw. most big keyboard servers forbid political talk.
china… it’s a big problem for US based vendors. ordering directly from abroad will be cheaper than buying from a US shop. even worse, GMK has a very slim margin and comes from Germany.
btw. most big keyboard servers forbid political talk.
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