It could also very easily be a build problem since my main character rn doesn't spec much into boosting ordinance damage so the nades are only getting small status and splash buffs

I've had them do some good work pre-uvhm but I've struggled to get them to do much more than applying status in uvhm sadly. I do think they'll get buffs/changes when grenade mods inevitably get reworked tho

BL4 has Maliwan grenades. They're like frisbees :3

Too bad it's a dookie ordinance

It's probably the least annoying in the series. It's still cringe and corny borderlands humor but it's not bad. Some of the side quests actually hit on the humor very well