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I see. As for what Democrats should do in practice, do you have anything in mind?
February 12, 2025 at 8:55 PM
I see. As for what Democrats should do in practice, do you have anything in mind?
What do you mean?
February 11, 2025 at 7:47 PM
What do you mean?
"Seize it all" as in take all of (or let's say most of) his money/wealth/assets?
"Line him up to every other billionaire", elaborate on what you mean by this, and then what you propose should be done after that.
"Line him up to every other billionaire", elaborate on what you mean by this, and then what you propose should be done after that.
January 23, 2025 at 9:31 AM
"Seize it all" as in take all of (or let's say most of) his money/wealth/assets?
"Line him up to every other billionaire", elaborate on what you mean by this, and then what you propose should be done after that.
"Line him up to every other billionaire", elaborate on what you mean by this, and then what you propose should be done after that.
My rule of thumb is 20% reasoning/facts and 80% emotions, when it comes to what would make someone change their opinion/beliefs. Focusing on the relatively small 20% portion alone was never going to work. But the 80% domain of emotions is pretty vast, with a lot of unexplored territory.
January 22, 2025 at 8:00 PM
My rule of thumb is 20% reasoning/facts and 80% emotions, when it comes to what would make someone change their opinion/beliefs. Focusing on the relatively small 20% portion alone was never going to work. But the 80% domain of emotions is pretty vast, with a lot of unexplored territory.
Reasoning/facts/logic hasn't seemed to get through, no. But I'm not convinced that the thing that people are currently trying out outside of the 'reasoning domain' (ostracization and humiliation as you mention), is something that actually works.
January 22, 2025 at 7:59 PM
Reasoning/facts/logic hasn't seemed to get through, no. But I'm not convinced that the thing that people are currently trying out outside of the 'reasoning domain' (ostracization and humiliation as you mention), is something that actually works.
"All he is successful with is making life worse for everyone else" is an exaggeration. You could claim net negative impact, but not zero positive impact.
That being said, after a little bit of online research, I do agree that it seems like Branson doesn't have a completely spotless track record.
That being said, after a little bit of online research, I do agree that it seems like Branson doesn't have a completely spotless track record.
January 22, 2025 at 7:43 PM
"All he is successful with is making life worse for everyone else" is an exaggeration. You could claim net negative impact, but not zero positive impact.
That being said, after a little bit of online research, I do agree that it seems like Branson doesn't have a completely spotless track record.
That being said, after a little bit of online research, I do agree that it seems like Branson doesn't have a completely spotless track record.
Could cultural resistance with minimal 'ad hominem' (insults etc.) be effective too?
January 22, 2025 at 7:11 PM
Could cultural resistance with minimal 'ad hominem' (insults etc.) be effective too?
You're highlighting that that's a bad thing. And I would agree with that. The point is that, in general, calling someone a loser etc. doesn't seem to resolve whatever the issue is. You get to blow some steam, but the person is not compelled to change. In fact it tends to have the opposite effect.
January 22, 2025 at 8:42 AM
You're highlighting that that's a bad thing. And I would agree with that. The point is that, in general, calling someone a loser etc. doesn't seem to resolve whatever the issue is. You get to blow some steam, but the person is not compelled to change. In fact it tends to have the opposite effect.
Kind of a good point actually
January 12, 2025 at 9:00 AM
Kind of a good point actually
All right, all the best to you too
December 1, 2024 at 6:37 PM
All right, all the best to you too
I'm assuming you're referring to me? I don't think you actually think I'm a bot though. Saying I'm a bot is just an easy way to dismiss the points I've raised.
Consider: If it turns out to be true that it's possible to change people's minds, wouldn't that actually be beneficial to you?
Consider: If it turns out to be true that it's possible to change people's minds, wouldn't that actually be beneficial to you?
December 1, 2024 at 4:56 PM
I'm assuming you're referring to me? I don't think you actually think I'm a bot though. Saying I'm a bot is just an easy way to dismiss the points I've raised.
Consider: If it turns out to be true that it's possible to change people's minds, wouldn't that actually be beneficial to you?
Consider: If it turns out to be true that it's possible to change people's minds, wouldn't that actually be beneficial to you?
That would go against your goal, so no. You'd still be trying to induce a change in their mind. It's just that "can you explain for me why you believe that?" has a much better chance of working than "you're wrong, you're dumb for believing that and fuck you" or something along those lines.
December 1, 2024 at 9:04 AM
That would go against your goal, so no. You'd still be trying to induce a change in their mind. It's just that "can you explain for me why you believe that?" has a much better chance of working than "you're wrong, you're dumb for believing that and fuck you" or something along those lines.
There's some truth to that. But something to be aware of is that logic is only a small part of convincing someone. Emotions is a much bigger part of it.My rule of thumb is 20% logic/reasoning, 80% emotions. No amount of evidence will be enough, but that's focusing on the small 20% and neglecting 80%
November 30, 2024 at 10:10 AM
There's some truth to that. But something to be aware of is that logic is only a small part of convincing someone. Emotions is a much bigger part of it.My rule of thumb is 20% logic/reasoning, 80% emotions. No amount of evidence will be enough, but that's focusing on the small 20% and neglecting 80%
Look, I get that it can be frustrating to talk to someone who seems to have no intention of changing their mind. But if it's not impossible to change someone's mind, then it's not a waste of time. Most likely only a little bit at best from one conversation, but that is something.
November 29, 2024 at 9:16 PM
Look, I get that it can be frustrating to talk to someone who seems to have no intention of changing their mind. But if it's not impossible to change someone's mind, then it's not a waste of time. Most likely only a little bit at best from one conversation, but that is something.
I agree that the people with the most power have decidedly the most influence on things.
But, do you not think it matters what people believe? As in 'the masses', or the 'puppets' you mention. You mentioned propaganda earlier. Why do some powerful people use propaganda?
But, do you not think it matters what people believe? As in 'the masses', or the 'puppets' you mention. You mentioned propaganda earlier. Why do some powerful people use propaganda?
November 29, 2024 at 8:35 PM
I agree that the people with the most power have decidedly the most influence on things.
But, do you not think it matters what people believe? As in 'the masses', or the 'puppets' you mention. You mentioned propaganda earlier. Why do some powerful people use propaganda?
But, do you not think it matters what people believe? As in 'the masses', or the 'puppets' you mention. You mentioned propaganda earlier. Why do some powerful people use propaganda?
Glad to hear you say that.
Yes, some people have dug their minds pretty deep into a set of beliefs. The way I think about it: Some people will have their minds changed a little bit. And I think the way of communicating Vlad suggests makes it a lot more likely to have a positive outcome like that.
Yes, some people have dug their minds pretty deep into a set of beliefs. The way I think about it: Some people will have their minds changed a little bit. And I think the way of communicating Vlad suggests makes it a lot more likely to have a positive outcome like that.
November 29, 2024 at 8:10 PM
Glad to hear you say that.
Yes, some people have dug their minds pretty deep into a set of beliefs. The way I think about it: Some people will have their minds changed a little bit. And I think the way of communicating Vlad suggests makes it a lot more likely to have a positive outcome like that.
Yes, some people have dug their minds pretty deep into a set of beliefs. The way I think about it: Some people will have their minds changed a little bit. And I think the way of communicating Vlad suggests makes it a lot more likely to have a positive outcome like that.
It does sound like you're somewhat on board with the idea of changing someone's mind, given enough time. Even if it doesn't visibly succeed during your conversation, they're getting one more reference experience of a non-hostile interaction with someone with very different political opinions.
November 29, 2024 at 8:06 AM
It does sound like you're somewhat on board with the idea of changing someone's mind, given enough time. Even if it doesn't visibly succeed during your conversation, they're getting one more reference experience of a non-hostile interaction with someone with very different political opinions.
I get what you mean. I would, however, ask the question like this: Would it be possible for this person to *ever so slightly* adjust how they view some topic, given multiple conversations if necessary? And if yes, does the way you communicate with them affect the likelihood of that happening?
November 27, 2024 at 7:51 AM
I get what you mean. I would, however, ask the question like this: Would it be possible for this person to *ever so slightly* adjust how they view some topic, given multiple conversations if necessary? And if yes, does the way you communicate with them affect the likelihood of that happening?
It does seem that way initially. However, I would say it's more like 'difficult'. It will most likely take multiple conversations. The more deeply a belief is held by someone, the more uncomfortable and reality-shaking it is for them to change their mind on a topic.
November 25, 2024 at 7:12 AM
It does seem that way initially. However, I would say it's more like 'difficult'. It will most likely take multiple conversations. The more deeply a belief is held by someone, the more uncomfortable and reality-shaking it is for them to change their mind on a topic.