5. If you listen only to corporations, you’re a dupe. Of course, they'll justify the harmful things they want. Of course, they'll tell you that rules are too onerous, taxes too high and subsidies too low. It takes spectacular political naivety to take them at their word. ...
Oh, hello Mr Starmer.

4. Forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but I have a vague memory of hearing about a political system that enacts the will of the people, not the will of corporations. I have a feeling there was a name for it, perhaps beginning with D? But it all seems a long time ago, so I might have misremembered.

3. Why not? Well, Keir Starmer has been so good as to explain it: these policies came about as a result of his "conversations with leading CEOs”. This is a bill for corporations, not for us. How long will it be before we discover that it was drafted by a Tufton Street junktank?

2. It's an extraordinary thing, this bill, drafted with no input whatever from anyone with environmental expertise. In fact, inputs from professional bodies and scientists working on environmental issues appear to have been systematically struck down. The government does not want this scrutiny.

The 2017 manifesto was pretty much typical of mainstream European left parties.

Ha Andrew’s blocked me. Calling him on Palestine was obviously a step too far!

Anyway I’m ducking out of this now Andrew but any time you want to apologise for dismissing support for Palestine as a preoccupation, feel free.

More fool them. It’s a self-fulfilling prophesy. Don’t support someone, they don’t win, you blame them. The reason why he faced an unprecedented largely fabricated personal hate campaign by the media, the RW, centrists is because they were worried about him winning. And you all got Boris instead.

I don’t know where to start with that one 😂. What on earth is national unity? Brexit garnered a lot of ‘national unity’. Putting that to one side and whether it was even an option, ‘nobody’ meaning who exactly?

Many centrists remain more obsessed with corbyn than his supporters at the time. I didn’t vote for him in 2017 or 2019. I voted for the manifesto and a progressive left govt. Unfortunately we’re back 2 a LP that is only successful when the Tories are so bad even their supporters won’t vote 4 them.

Yes because the Lib Dems in really stormed it in 2019 didn’t they? It was a brexit election. Any LP leader, left, right or centre would have been faced with the same damned if you do/don’t dilemma and would have lost. It’s delusional to think a pro -European centrist proposition would have won.

You miss my point. People were fed-up with austerity and the LP’s austerity lite but the alternative proposition was never properly tested because of, in part, the viscous anti corbyn propaganda, some of which you repeat. To call support for Palestine a ‘preoccupation’ is plain disgraceful btw.

There are too many people in power in the Labour Party who won’t entertain and will actively undermine the possibility of a progressive left government, as the Corbyn experience clearly demonstrates. And most of those would describe themselves as centrist.

It’s not a’complete relocation’. It’s ethnic cleansing.