I love how in this clip he thinks he's being clever and ends up arguing against himself, before trying to redefine everything into something vague and meaningless.

Finally beaten he tries to say reform have more support when they had the same number of MPs (until last month) and Greens have more councillors. Reform are just given more of a platform by the media and not scrutinised.

Roger then contradicts himself by saying that we were told it would take years to see any benefits whilst we could have all our cake and eat it. Perfectly dealt with, he then spent the next minute trying to interrupt her.

Roger then tries to defend the "once in a generation referendum."

What a great response from @elliechowns.bsky.social on BBC Breakfast. And what a dismal display by Roger Johnson. Firstly parroting disgusting language like "surrender" which was expertly dealt with...