Carla Hurt
@foundinantiquity.bsky.social
Salvēte! χαίρετε! I'm a Latin teacher & YouTuber who has converted to input-based approaches. I also love reading Ancient Greek, & writing tiered readers.
(I first read about "structured input" in Common Ground by Henshaw and Hawkins, a great book for SLA informed language pedagogy)
August 29, 2025 at 2:43 AM
(I first read about "structured input" in Common Ground by Henshaw and Hawkins, a great book for SLA informed language pedagogy)
Now that's not to say that stories always have to be written to teach a target grammar point. Just that it can be helpful to use structured input alongside stories to provide more opportunities for target features to actually be processed by learners. 10/10
August 29, 2025 at 2:43 AM
Now that's not to say that stories always have to be written to teach a target grammar point. Just that it can be helpful to use structured input alongside stories to provide more opportunities for target features to actually be processed by learners. 10/10
(I am hamming it up a bit, but a lot of early textbook stories featuring the accusative are as stilted as that because they're trying to not overwhelm the beginner while providing examples of the target feature.) 9/10
August 29, 2025 at 2:43 AM
(I am hamming it up a bit, but a lot of early textbook stories featuring the accusative are as stilted as that because they're trying to not overwhelm the beginner while providing examples of the target feature.) 9/10
Contrast this with the salience of the accusative in paragraphs of SOV sentences:
e.g. Scintilla cēnam parat. Quīntus olīvās portat. Scintilla Horātiam vocat. Horātia casam intrat. puella cēnam cōnsūmit. puella olīvās cōnsūmit. 8/10
e.g. Scintilla cēnam parat. Quīntus olīvās portat. Scintilla Horātiam vocat. Horātia casam intrat. puella cēnam cōnsūmit. puella olīvās cōnsūmit. 8/10
August 29, 2025 at 2:43 AM
Contrast this with the salience of the accusative in paragraphs of SOV sentences:
e.g. Scintilla cēnam parat. Quīntus olīvās portat. Scintilla Horātiam vocat. Horātia casam intrat. puella cēnam cōnsūmit. puella olīvās cōnsūmit. 8/10
e.g. Scintilla cēnam parat. Quīntus olīvās portat. Scintilla Horātiam vocat. Horātia casam intrat. puella cēnam cōnsūmit. puella olīvās cōnsūmit. 8/10
If I wanted to provide the answers in more complete sentences, I'd structure it so that the first word features the target grammar:
quid cōnsūmit?
a. carōtam cōnsūmit.
b. carōtās cōnsūmit. 7/10
quid cōnsūmit?
a. carōtam cōnsūmit.
b. carōtās cōnsūmit. 7/10
August 29, 2025 at 2:43 AM
If I wanted to provide the answers in more complete sentences, I'd structure it so that the first word features the target grammar:
quid cōnsūmit?
a. carōtam cōnsūmit.
b. carōtās cōnsūmit. 7/10
quid cōnsūmit?
a. carōtam cōnsūmit.
b. carōtās cōnsūmit. 7/10
Once I've established the students understand the difference between am/um and ās/ōs, I can then ask students to pick a word to answer to what he's eating in each picture. Obviously I'd mix up the order & add more examples. This could also be reversed - choose the right pic. 6/10
August 29, 2025 at 2:43 AM
Once I've established the students understand the difference between am/um and ās/ōs, I can then ask students to pick a word to answer to what he's eating in each picture. Obviously I'd mix up the order & add more examples. This could also be reversed - choose the right pic. 6/10
(cōnsūmit is the word that the OLC uses for eating; it may not be the best word choice but it's what I've got to work with at this stage while keeping consistent with the textbook vocab) 5/10
August 29, 2025 at 2:43 AM
(cōnsūmit is the word that the OLC uses for eating; it may not be the best word choice but it's what I've got to work with at this stage while keeping consistent with the textbook vocab) 5/10
In this example, I wanted the distinction between the accusative singular and accusative plural to be the MOST OBVIOUS feature of the text. I have a set of pictures of a pacman eating objects. "quid cōnsūmit?" is answered in a diagram: carōtam vs carōtas, pullum vs pullōs. 4/10
August 29, 2025 at 2:43 AM
In this example, I wanted the distinction between the accusative singular and accusative plural to be the MOST OBVIOUS feature of the text. I have a set of pictures of a pacman eating objects. "quid cōnsūmit?" is answered in a diagram: carōtam vs carōtas, pullum vs pullōs. 4/10
"Structured input" is a way to add greater saliency to a target grammar feature. This technique is about presenting meaningful input in such a way that it is easier for learners to actually notice and process a grammatical feature. 3/10
August 29, 2025 at 2:43 AM
"Structured input" is a way to add greater saliency to a target grammar feature. This technique is about presenting meaningful input in such a way that it is easier for learners to actually notice and process a grammatical feature. 3/10
It's often not a very salient feature. Sandwiched in the middle of an SOV sentence, it does not stick out. Unfortunately if the SOV structure is used too repetitively and consistently, students lean on SOV word order rather than endings to attempt to understand the sentence. 2/10
August 29, 2025 at 2:43 AM
It's often not a very salient feature. Sandwiched in the middle of an SOV sentence, it does not stick out. Unfortunately if the SOV structure is used too repetitively and consistently, students lean on SOV word order rather than endings to attempt to understand the sentence. 2/10
Enjoy reading stories with your little child, and wherever possible add your own little touches. You don't have to just read the words on the page, you can use whatever level of Latin you have to describe the pictures. Have fun with the language and let that be the goal. 7/7
July 22, 2025 at 2:38 AM
Enjoy reading stories with your little child, and wherever possible add your own little touches. You don't have to just read the words on the page, you can use whatever level of Latin you have to describe the pictures. Have fun with the language and let that be the goal. 7/7
I see so many well meaning parents try to pre-teach their very young kids using heavy material more suitable to older ages and an academic setting, rather than leaning into their little one's interests and capacity at that tender age. 6/7
July 22, 2025 at 2:38 AM
I see so many well meaning parents try to pre-teach their very young kids using heavy material more suitable to older ages and an academic setting, rather than leaning into their little one's interests and capacity at that tender age. 6/7
If you're hoping for your child to take formal Latin classes when they're old enough to study it in school, it's a good idea to slowly build enthusiasm when they are young rather than try to force them to learn too much content too soon and get burned out early. 5/7
July 22, 2025 at 2:38 AM
If you're hoping for your child to take formal Latin classes when they're old enough to study it in school, it's a good idea to slowly build enthusiasm when they are young rather than try to force them to learn too much content too soon and get burned out early. 5/7
Now, you may not see a whole lot of language output from your child from just listening to a story, but things are happening. As long as you both enjoy the process, you are building interest and familiarity in the Latin language in a stress free, low-stakes way. 4/7
July 22, 2025 at 2:38 AM
Now, you may not see a whole lot of language output from your child from just listening to a story, but things are happening. As long as you both enjoy the process, you are building interest and familiarity in the Latin language in a stress free, low-stakes way. 4/7
We need to slow down and meet young children where they are, where their interests are and what suits their temperament. If you want your little child to learn Latin because you are passionate about Latin, this would be the best way to start: simple, beautiful story books. 3/7
July 22, 2025 at 2:38 AM
We need to slow down and meet young children where they are, where their interests are and what suits their temperament. If you want your little child to learn Latin because you are passionate about Latin, this would be the best way to start: simple, beautiful story books. 3/7
I'm a YouTuber, so why do I recommend picture story books? Young children need to hear their parents' loving voices. It is so much better for them than listening to a recorded voice coming from a screen. They also love to hear you reading their favourites many many times. 2/7
July 22, 2025 at 2:38 AM
I'm a YouTuber, so why do I recommend picture story books? Young children need to hear their parents' loving voices. It is so much better for them than listening to a recorded voice coming from a screen. They also love to hear you reading their favourites many many times. 2/7
We may be the "experts in pedagogy" in the classroom, but the students are the only ones who can see inside and ask themselves what they really want. Let students think about their learning (& not just react), and say whether they want to hear more or less correction. 8/8
March 17, 2025 at 11:03 PM
We may be the "experts in pedagogy" in the classroom, but the students are the only ones who can see inside and ask themselves what they really want. Let students think about their learning (& not just react), and say whether they want to hear more or less correction. 8/8
Again, this may not reflect the make-up of the learning community in your specific high school or other situations you may be teaching in. But every community is made up of real individuals, with real preferences. Ask your students to reflect on what motivates them. 7/8
March 17, 2025 at 11:03 PM
Again, this may not reflect the make-up of the learning community in your specific high school or other situations you may be teaching in. But every community is made up of real individuals, with real preferences. Ask your students to reflect on what motivates them. 7/8
That is to say, a Comprehensible Input informed language learning community still overwhelmingly indicated they would rather be corrected than not. (98% of those who made a preference did so to encourage corrective feedback) 6/8
March 17, 2025 at 11:03 PM
That is to say, a Comprehensible Input informed language learning community still overwhelmingly indicated they would rather be corrected than not. (98% of those who made a preference did so to encourage corrective feedback) 6/8
This is separate from the pedagogical choice of Active or Input-based or Grammar-Translation approaches. The Discord server in question is mainly used by learners who work through Ørberg's Lingua Latina, an input based approach, and who communicate in the target language. 5/8
March 17, 2025 at 11:03 PM
This is separate from the pedagogical choice of Active or Input-based or Grammar-Translation approaches. The Discord server in question is mainly used by learners who work through Ørberg's Lingua Latina, an input based approach, and who communicate in the target language. 5/8
There is a generalisation thrown around that "learners don't want corrective feedback". That might be true for some groups. But there do exist groups of learners who explicitly ask for correction. Given this, we cannot simply assume all learners are demotivated by feedback. 4/8
March 17, 2025 at 11:03 PM
There is a generalisation thrown around that "learners don't want corrective feedback". That might be true for some groups. But there do exist groups of learners who explicitly ask for correction. Given this, we cannot simply assume all learners are demotivated by feedback. 4/8
My takeaway from this is that decisions around corrective feedback should take on board actual student preferences. There are learning communities where learners are explicitly asking to be corrected. That may or may not be the situation with your language class. 3/8
March 17, 2025 at 11:03 PM
My takeaway from this is that decisions around corrective feedback should take on board actual student preferences. There are learning communities where learners are explicitly asking to be corrected. That may or may not be the situation with your language class. 3/8
Overwhelmingly more users indicate that they want to be corrected (3877) than not (77). This can be seen from the number next to the reactions (I've hidden the other reactions for privacy). That is, 98% who indicated a preference, did so to ask for corrective feedback. 2/8
March 17, 2025 at 11:03 PM
Overwhelmingly more users indicate that they want to be corrected (3877) than not (77). This can be seen from the number next to the reactions (I've hidden the other reactions for privacy). That is, 98% who indicated a preference, did so to ask for corrective feedback. 2/8